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Dish better NOT add BigTen Network

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by jeffwtux, Jul 27, 2007.

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  1. heisman

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    Big 4? :lol: More like the Big 1, and the little 10. There are only 3 schools in NCAA history that have won their conference championships in football, and in both men's and women's hoops in the same season. Now if you've done that 2 years in a row... :p
     
  2. Michael P

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    But if "old granny" as E* she can switch to the family pack and avoid paying for sports. I had my mom do that, she never missed a channel from her old top-60 (and gained a few new ones to boot).

    For those of you who thing BTN will fail, think again. This will become a big marketing ploy for D*, at least in the Big 10 territory.

    Since you can get D* virtually everywhere (chainsaw not provided) there is no reason why BTN can't survive.
     
  3. WebTraveler

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    But I think you can to some extent. If the Mtn fails, everyone says it is because it's for a weak conference with little national following. If the Big 10 fails, then all possibilities of other conferences coming on board with a nationwide network fail. If the Big 10 can't pull it off, then there is no hope for the SEC, Big East, Pac 10, or Big 12 to pull something like this off. The only one with any bargaining power of any kind on a national level is Notre Dame. Now if Notre Dame joined the Big 10 then you might see a different result...but that didn't happen the last time, and if it did, you can bet that Notre Dame will make it gets more cash than the rest of the 11 teams in the conference combined. It's that simple.
     
  4. Jim5506

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    Notre Dame will never join a conference as long as they have their own Network deal, get to keep ALL their bowl winnings, and have special treatment by the BCS.
     
  5. heisman

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    How fast would Notre Ame join the Big Ten if you had to actually win the bowl game to get bowl "winnings" ? They haven't won a bowl game since 1994! :eek2:
     
  6. Wrister17

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    Ok, i've read this thread a few times, and im still trying to understand the concern here...some people are saying they dont want to pay more for the BTN. Thats exactly why dish hasnt picked it up yet. They want it on the lower tier package, so its really no cost to the consumer. BTN is fighting to become like Versus (which caused a major headache for dish w/NHL games), but it seems dish is holding their ground on this one. So even if BTN becomes available on a higher tier package, you either already pay for it, or you dont, so whats the issue? If you want to see big ten games, get it, if u dont, dont. if it comes in free as part of your package, consider it a bonus. I live in the suburbs of columbus, OH, which is major big ten country, and so far besides DirectTV, only one cable subscriber in all of Ohio, which is the toledo area, which also services SE Michigan, has picked it up. people around here are in an outrage.

    So for those of you who dont think it couldn't last, think again, it could. There are legions of people around OH/MI/IN/IL/MN/PA/IA and possibly NJ(with rutgers joining the big ten), that would love to have it, not to mention the advertiser that would pay top dollar for the primetime football games, that 95% of which will be in HD, not to mention the couple hundred basketball games, and other sports...the rivarlies in big ten country other than football would draw in viewer as well....at this point its a matter of financial logistics.....take care.
     
  7. Ray_Clum

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    I doubt that ANY Big East school will head to the Big Ten. Pretty much everyone says that the winner of the Big East has the easiest shot of getting to the National Championship Game and that's probably going to be Rutgers, West Virginia or Louisville.

    More than likely, the Big Ten will look towards Notre Dame (good luck), Missouri or Southern Illinois as a dark horse.
     
  8. iahawks550

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    For one, Southern Illinois isn't even D-1 in football. It would take them at least a decade to even become competitive. Secondly, their academics aren't on par with current Big 10 institutions.

    Rutgers is a logical choice and would be a good move for them athletically and academically. Pittsburgh is another.

    Back on topic.

    The BTN is more than a regional sports network. It will succeed most likely on football and basketball revenues only.
     
  9. jeffwtux

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    WRONG, pure LIE!!


    It will succeed on the revenues of cable/dbs subscribers in the midwest who have no interest in any sport let alone bigten football. This station will like ESPN get very low ratings buy still command massively overpriced subscription rates for fear that somehow there is this majority of people who are diehard sportsfans and cable/dbs companies can't live without them. The reason sport demand that they are on the basic packages is precisely because they can't turn a profit if they had to rely on advertising or subscriptions for standalone packages.

    ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS THIS ISN'T A CAPITALIST.
     
  10. Greg Bimson

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    I don't know where to begin, but I'll try...

    You do realize that ESPN actually has great ratings for a cable network? Especially during football season? The only network which receives consistently better ratings is Nickelodeon, which is strangely enough is in a package...

    Which means no channel can survive "if they had to rely on advertising or subscriptions for standalone packages".

    And of course this is capitalism. The ability for two parties to come to a deal is capitalism. The decision not to come to an agreement is also capitalism. It appears you want to force the government to insert itself into this disagreement and LEGISLATE the pricing and the package placement, which is about as far away from capitalism as you can get, way over in the socialism category.

    Let the market dictate. If Dish Network doesn't want to sign up for the network, then they don't have to. See the YES Network issue, where everyone BUT Dish Network has signed up for the channel. But other than the low-end packages, Dish Network's pricing to subscribers appears to be in-line with other providers, so that only means they are receiving the same subscriber revenues but shelling out less of the subscribers money in programming fees to the providers.
     
  11. jeffwtux

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    Who is the PRODUCER??? BigTen Network
    Who is the Consumer???? THE CABLE/DBS customer

    If the BigTen Network is on basic cable, please tell me how Granny who NEVER EVER WATCHES sports can not buy the BigTen Network while still buying Lifetime?
    She can't.

    That's not capitalism
    BigTen Network is saying that there is HUGE demand for this station. If that were true, they would be confident in putting this as an ala carte station like HBO, and the millions of BigTen fans would be begging to pay $4/month for it. Or if advertisers were begging to pay higher and higher rates, then OTA would be begging to pay higher rates. The reason they are going this route is precisely because they want MORE MONEY from people who aren't demanding this station.

    Have you seen Drew Sharp from the Detroit Free Press write about this?
    He hit it dead on.
     
  12. Redlinetire

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    Of course it is. It's called 'bundling'.

    You want a sunroof with that car? You have to buy the 'premium package' with leather, auto climate and headlight washers.

    Do I want to pay for 12 shopping channels, 8 religious channels and other stuff I'll never watch just so I can get ESPN? No.

    But if I want the service, that's how it comes bundled.
     
  13. Greg Bimson

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    Actually, it is.

    Notice how Dish Network has AT 100, AT 200, AT 250, etc. Can you find AT 100 on Comcast, Charter, Time Warner, Brighthouse or DirecTV? No.

    Therefore, the AT packages were CREATED by Dish Network. So you tell me "the problem". Because the providers create their own programming packages, the programmers must not only negotiate on price but on tier placement with the providers. That is capitalism.

    Just because Dish Network puts ESPN in their lowest tier does not mean Dish Network isn't just as guilty as the rest of their business brethern. They carry ESPN. Hell, they just started sponsoring ESPN's NASCAR broadcasts.

    But because of the packages created by Dish Network, the programmers must negotiate for tier placment and pricing. Ask Versus, which is in basic cable in many places, how their channel can be purchased on Dish Network. Hint: it requires the most expensive package, and Dish Network does not offer an a la carte option.

    So don't believe for one minute what a company does is for your benefit. They ALL play the game.
     
  14. Jim5506

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    Shopping and religious channels actually pay DishNetwork for carriage, so they actually help keep our rates down. Without them we would be paying higher monthly rates.
     
  15. koji68

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    Dish or cable cos. are not going to provide the BTN as an added channel to any package without rising the cost of the package. I'll bet you $1.10 that the cost will be swiftly passed to the customers.
     
  16. koji68

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    This is an a-la-carte issue not just a BTN issue.

    BTN wants to be in the lower tier package to claim the most viewers to their advertisers and to get the maximum amount of revenue from subscribers. They don't really care whether you actually need/want the channel. They just want their money.

    Sounds pretty capitalistic to me.
     
  17. Michael P

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    Not exactly true. ESPN is not in the "lowest" tier. The Family Pack is the lowest tier, just because it's not named the same (i.e. "AT") it's still a package, and I dare D* and cable to come up with one of their own.
     
  18. Christopher Gould

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    i do believe D* has a family pack, last itime i looked it was 29.99, choice was 39.99
     
  19. James Long

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    While the family packs ($19.99 plus locals for E*, $29.99 w/locals for D*) could be called tiers they are more of a "special programming package". Both systems picked channels from all tiers of their "normal" progression and neither is a subset of the next lowest tier for each company.

    In other words - move from Dish Family to AT100 or D*'s Family Pack to Choice and you lose channels. You gain more channels than you lose, but you can't keep all the family channels without subscribing to the highest level of programming that isn't "everything".

    (For E* family includes AT200's Animal Planet, Fox News Channel, Hallmark Channel, RFD TV, and CSTV; plus AT250's Bloomberg Television, Discovery Kids, Fine Living, The Biography Channel, Boomerang, Discovery Times Channel, DIY Network, Great American Country, Nick Toons, The Outdoor Channel and The Science Channel.)

    Choice is $49.99 ($20 more than Family).
    They do have a $44.99 price posted as an introductory offer (four months).
    Choice Xtra (needed to keep all family channels) is $54.99.
     
  20. Greg Bimson

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    And lest we forget, the only reason a family-oriented package exists is because the multichannel providers didn't want to raise the ire of both Congress and the FCC Commissioner. Yet both see the shortcomings in the family-oriented package, because practically no family package contains channels dedicated to sports.
     
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