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DISH Disappointed with CBS' Interference with CNET's "Best of CES" Awards

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by tsmacro, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Jan 10, 2013 #21 of 126
    P Smith

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    technically speaking ... the new Hopper2 is not that new word in the technology ... just simple aggregation of old embedded Sling idea [bad functioning 922] and existing Hopper ... I don't see anything what would trumpet the fanfares
     
  2. Jan 10, 2013 #22 of 126
    rovenorth

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    "CNETs credibility just went to the dogs."

    My dogs resent this. Don't worry, though, their attentions spans are sufficiently short that they'll be on to the next thing any nanosecond now. Yup, there they go!

    On Dish versus CBS/CNN ...

    Especially in this day and age with so many folks really and truly hurting, I'm not too interested in the whining of zillionaires :nono2:
     
  3. Jan 10, 2013 #23 of 126
    Stewart Vernon

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    I see what you did there...

    I don't think there is a problem per se with CBS owning CNET... the problem is when CBS steps in and tells CNET to be objective with someone that CBS has a problem with.

    IF CNET operates on its own, and no one can prove any lack of objectivity... then I don't think it would be an issue.

    But now that the worm-can has been forced open? CBS has essentially invited people to take a look at all things CNET does and question whether or not CBS has done this before or will do this again.

    That is going to be a tough thing for CNET to recover independent objective credibility going forward.
     
  4. Jan 10, 2013 #24 of 126
    DodgerKing

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    I am going to repeat the same thing I posted on other sites about this topic.

    Although Charlie is involved in way too many lawsuits and many of them are his fault, regardless of which side one is to take in the CBS and Dish suit, this is just a stupid move by CBS. In the long run this will just make Dish look like the good guys.

    If the reward is deserved, then the award should be given. A suit should have no bearing on whether or not a product is good enough to win the award. It should be based solely on the parameters set for that award.
     
  5. Jan 11, 2013 #25 of 126
    speedy4022

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    I usually don't get involved in these threads but i will this once. I have one question what does dish networks owner get out of constantly biting the hand that feeds him without the networks he has no content to sell?
     
  6. Jan 11, 2013 #26 of 126
    tampa8

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    You really don't see the ramifications of this? If it was just CBS itself involved in this decision, it would be more understandable, as long as they disclosed their decision. But to force politics on what was an independent testing site that happens to be owned by them, that does what we thought was independent testing is not understandable.
    Here is a very small sampling of what others - no not just me, not just Dish is saying. You can try to make this somehow the fault of Dish, but those that have an idea of what this means know differently.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/every-tech-journalists-worst-nightmare
    ("This confirms that fear, at least for CNET's reporters — that there is a profound difference in product journalism and actual journalism, to the point that the former might not even be in the same genus as the latter. Good service writing, unglamorous as it may be, demands integrity too. Your authority as someone telling people what to buy is determined first and foremost by your motivations.

    CNET has a roster of stellar writers and reporters who do great journalism every single day, and this isn't their fault. But it gives critics of the tech media a leg to stand on, and will be felt deeply — in the gut — across the tech media. ")

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/tech...-cnet-ethically-questionnable-spot-ces/60866/

    https://plus.google.com/114753028665775786510/posts/AnPtDvmHwec
     
  7. Jan 11, 2013 #27 of 126
    tampa8

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    Nailed it.
     
  8. Jan 11, 2013 #28 of 126
    Art7220

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    This happened before. CBS wouldn't let a 60 Minutes report on the tobacco industry air. Even came out in a movie. Granted, the CNET affair won't be as big an issue.
     
  9. Jan 11, 2013 #29 of 126
    SayWhat?

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    Not the same thing. Editorial control over their own broadcast programming is one thing. Strong-arming a subsidiary with a reputation for impartial reviews and testing is something else.
     
  10. Jan 11, 2013 #30 of 126
    acostapimps

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    I'm a Directv subscriber but damn that is so wrong in so many ways, it's technology that matters not some type of dispute with a network
     
  11. Jan 11, 2013 #31 of 126
    AntAltMike

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    I remember back in the C-band days, when trade magazines used to give annual "Best ____" awards for hardware items, and the winner of every award was whichever company bought the most advertising in that jounal.
     
  12. Jan 11, 2013 #32 of 126
    Reaper

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    According to Forbes, Charlie is worth $9 Billion, and is the 38th richest person in the US. He sounds like a real dick to work for, or with for that matter, but it's hard to argue with success.

    Source: http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-ergen/
     
  13. Jan 11, 2013 #33 of 126
    P Smith

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    I don't get with the H2 "invention" praise ...
     
  14. Jan 11, 2013 #34 of 126
    James Long

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    There are still plenty of networks to sell ... even many of the ones who "hate Charlie" end up making a deal. 14 million subscribing customers are hard to turn away when you want to make a profit. (Not that some providers have not made that choice.)

    Somehow despite the gloom and doom predictions of some people (not you but others) DISH manages to thrive ... make a little money and keep moving forward.
     
  15. Jan 11, 2013 #35 of 126
    SayWhat?

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    http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/11/technology/dish-cnet-cbs/

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414184,00.asp

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-11/cbs-puts-cnet-on-mute-over-dish-dvr-lawsuit
     
  16. Jan 14, 2013 #36 of 126
    tampa8

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    Greg Sandoval reviewer at Cnet has resigned because their trust now has been comprimised. (Too hard to link from my cell phone sorry) As some immediately recognized this is a pretty big story and honestly CNET may have problems going forward.
     
  17. Jan 14, 2013 #37 of 126
    SayWhat?

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    One of many articles appearing:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/cnet-writer-quits-over-cbs-meddling.html

    Article goes on to say (as do others) that the Hopper would have won the award.
     
  18. Jan 14, 2013 #38 of 126
    SayWhat?

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    http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/14/3...-cnet-editors-to-recast-vote-after-hopper-win
     
  19. Jan 14, 2013 #39 of 126
    Stewart Vernon

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    As the onion gets peeled... I think some of us nailed it from the beginning... CBS thought it would be bad for their lawsuit if the Hopper won a best-in-show... and so they killed it.

    Ironically, though... Hopper winning best in show as a CNET award from a CBS-owned company actually would have been a PLUS for the CBS lawsuit as they could say that they are not oppressive and anti-progress, just that they want to protect their business. The neutrality would have gained them favor in court.

    Now, however, the smackdown at CNET will no doubt be used by Dish in court against CBS to show "look what CBS will do if you don't stop them, they will force out anything they don't like with unfair business practices" and so forth.

    This will be bad for CBS going forward in that suit... it will be far worse for CNET credibility, though.

    I think employees of CNET, however, will have a chance to go elsewhere and flee the sinking ship IF they choose to do so, because they can be respected for not knowing what to do in the moment but coming forward to say how they were not in favor of what CBS forced them to do.
     
  20. Jan 14, 2013 #40 of 126
    fudpucker

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    Let's say the head of CBS says "OK, we don't want Dish carrying any CBS programming if the keep this device on the market" - can they do that? Or is it up to the local network carriers alone?
     

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