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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. May 26, 2012 #321 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    Umm... Star Trek was in fact dropped... during its heyday. It barely made it to a third season... heck, it barely made it to air in the first place.

    But I don't think that was entirely the point.
     
  2. May 26, 2012 #322 of 1922
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    Gunsmoke, Bonanza & CSI Miami were all cancelled as well...
     
  3. May 27, 2012 #323 of 1922
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    Thing is though..... in the last 2 weeks before a carriage is ending between a carrier and a tv channel, you will usually start seeing the ad-blasts from both sides. The channels will splatter their front page with "let your carrier know you want to keep us" type ads and links, and the carrier will have an information page regarding the channel explaining how they are want to pay a fair amount of money.

    Through history, this is what I have seen with all carriers and channels. Between Dish and AMC Networks..... there is dead silence. No mudslinging. No smear campaigns. No nothing. That tells me they aren't even talking, or getting close to any kind of deal. With the dropping of NY-area sports channels that are owned by AMC, I think Dish has made the decision to be "done" with AMC, and is not looking back.

    Additionally, the fact that they had to change their ads to NOT include AMC owned networks on the list of "look-at-all-the-great-channels-you-get" is even more telling that they don't expect AMC to be around.

    This seems no longer a "we want a fair deal and we are negotiating" thing, as we would have seen a lot of mud slinging by now. This is a "we're done" thing, and the call has been made.
     
  4. May 27, 2012 #324 of 1922
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    In my Sunday paper today, Dish has a full page ad touting their various packages. AMC, IFC and WE are nowhere to be found on the channel listing. Barring some deal between Dish and AMC, the end is indeed near. Breaking Bad starts on July 15. Mad Men ends on June 10. We'll see if they pull the plug before then. But you Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, The Killing, Hell on Wheels and IFC fans should start looking for alternatives to get your shows, especially if you plan on keeping Dish.
     
  5. May 27, 2012 #325 of 1922
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    It does appear to look that way.
     
  6. May 27, 2012 #326 of 1922
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    Dish doesnt put ad's in the paper. That was done by a local retailer and I can promise you there not "in the know".
    Though things do look grim I wouldnt use second hand evidence like news paper ads as a basis for an assumption.
     
  7. May 27, 2012 #327 of 1922
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    The immediate deletion of those channels is telling, regardless of who placed the ads.
     
  8. May 27, 2012 #328 of 1922
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    Dripping...
    IIRC, while local retailers have the ad placed the copy comes from corporate offices.
     
  9. May 27, 2012 #329 of 1922
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    Yeah, I know. :( Didn't Directv put out a commercial, something like "We have Comedy Central, Dish doesn't" several years back when they dropped it for like a couple of days?

    The only thing good about TWD starting up in October is that there is plenty of time to see what happens before jumping the gun on switching to Directv or cable.
     
  10. May 27, 2012 #330 of 1922
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    Which would be giving in to the production company's extortion. Not a wise move.

    The way to handle this is to stand firm and make the production company suffer severe losses. That would be a signal to other production companies that their reign of terror is over.

    It would be great if Direct would flip the switch on Rainbow the same day Dish does as a show of solidarity.
     
  11. May 27, 2012 #331 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    Not really. As we have noted before... it takes mere minutes to make these kinds of changes and similar mere minutes to put the channel logos back. It might seem important for Dish to take the channels down from their Web site, but it is a minimal effort kind of thing.
     
  12. May 27, 2012 #332 of 1922
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    I wonder how many Dish subscribers really know about this dispute. Can't believe there aren't subscribers out there who like the AMC shows but have no idea what's about to happen. What will happen when they tune in to AMC and they aren't there? That's when we'll find out if subscriber complaints will have any sway. I've been with Dish for 15 years, and have seen them go to the brink with many channels.
    I would imagine DirecTV will advertise heavily about Dish dropping AMC.
     
  13. May 27, 2012 #333 of 1922
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    That alone is an assumption. :D

    Not that it won't be there, but that people will actually tune to that channel or IFC. The Wives/Girlfriends might miss WE...... Sundance is already a fuzzy memory. All indications from ratings say not too many watch them regularly. If it's someone's favorite channel or one they watch alot I don't want them to lose it. If that important, that's why there are other providers. If you're hinting there will some big uprising or exodus, there won't be.

    Niche channels have a double edged sword. They can have loyal viewers and make someone go to a provider. But the numbers are small, and they can't demand much. AMC is by all accounts demanding now and later alot. They're no USA.
     
  14. May 27, 2012 #334 of 1922
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    Are you actually saying AMC has very small viewership? As was pointed out earlier, The Walking Dead was one of the highest rated cable shows EVER. Mad Men is still pulling about 2 million live/same day viewers every Sunday
     
  15. May 27, 2012 #335 of 1922
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    I am definitely saying that. Compared to the number of people who subscribe to a package that includes AMC, its actual viewership is VERY low.

    I went through the math a while back... but the summation was that the Walking Dead episode that set that record was about 9% of the number of actual subscribers... so on the best night ever, more than 90% of the people paying for AMC weren't watching.

    All the other nights are even worse statistically than that... which means that even the people who loved AMC that one night don't love AMC most of the time! So their most vocal loyal viewers don't even watch AMC most nights.

    So... if all the customers who want AMC on a regular basis were to leave Dish tomorrow over this dispute, I'm not even sure it would make much difference in their quarterly churn.

    I watch the Walking Dead too... but that's all I watch on that channel... and while I would miss it, I also know I can buy the Blu-rays which I will want to buy anyway... so losing AMC won't hurt my feelings too much.
     
  16. May 27, 2012 #336 of 1922
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    Me too. Definitely a niche' channel.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if WE had more viewers.
     
  17. May 27, 2012 #337 of 1922
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    I'd say there are about 5 shows that garner a good viewership, the rest of the time it isn't a very good channel unless you like movies with lots, and I do mean LOTS, of ads.

    Walking Dead, The Killing, Hell on Wheels, Mad Men and Breaking Bad are all considered excellent. The 3 I'm interested in are the first 3 and I can buy (not rent) a season pass for :

    Walking Dead : $35 in HD, or $25 in SD
    The Killing : $32 in HD, or $22 in SD
    Hell On Wheels : $26 in HD, or $17 in SD

    Note the SD is DVD quality, better than both D* and E*'s SD, and quite enjoyable too.

    So the total would be $93 for the 3, or about $7.75/month if you figured that way. Figure another $70 for Mad Men+Breaking Bad and your up to $163 or $14 approx per month. All those figures are less than a switch would probably cost to go to D* after the rebates expire, and you lose BBCA-HD because D* not only doesn't have it, I'm not betting on them getting it anytime soon.

    All figures from iTunes store.
     
  18. May 27, 2012 #338 of 1922
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    Then, let's just start dropping any channel. No big deal since it's just a few of the 14 million subs who watch...no biggie. In 2011, AMC was the 18th rated cable channel total for day/night viewers and 15th for primetime. It's ridiculous to think a top 20 channel can just be expendable.

    HBO has huge ratings only Sunday nights...Dish should quit carrying them, too.
     
  19. May 27, 2012 #339 of 1922
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    You're very wrong.
     
  20. May 27, 2012 #340 of 1922
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    Yes, exactly. But not just me, take a look at the ratings....... One show does not a network make. To be fair, I do see some weeks where they do better than others.
     
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