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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. May 27, 2012 #341 of 1922
    sigma1914

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    As I said ... . In 2011, AMC was the 18th rated cable channel total for day/night viewers and 15th for primetime.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/76679201/Cable-Time-Period-Rank-2011
     
  2. May 27, 2012 #342 of 1922
    tampa8

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    I do want to add, I'm not saying it's good or there will be no problem with the AMC channels leaving. Can Dish replace them with channels people want more? I don't know, but in the end it will indeed hurt AMC more than DISH.
     
  3. May 27, 2012 #343 of 1922
    sigma1914

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    It's obviously not going to punch Dish in the gut, but not even having a top 20 channel isn't a good thing. We have plenty of users here who won't go to DirecTV or pick Dish for BBCA HD. You'd think BBCA was a top 5 channel just reading here, but it's not even close. So a few people here might not think AMC is popular, but it is top 20.
     
  4. May 27, 2012 #344 of 1922
    inkahauts

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    I think that is actually useless in this situation. I think this has more to do with other things than trying to negotiate a price for the channels that Dish likes.

    With that said, it did take forever for AMC to agree to terms with Directv just for the HD version of the channel, so who knows...
     
  5. May 27, 2012 #345 of 1922
    Inkosaurus

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    Probably less then the amount of employees that know.
    Talked to my friend who works in the training department of our local Dish call center (its echo star/dish owned and not out sourced). And he says Dish still hasnt given him any material to go over, nor have they issued any BOLT's (brief online training) courses for the CSR's.

    Pretty strange, when I worked there if there was even a potential take down of something as small as a local you could bet we had enough scripts, info and prices to cover most questions weeks before the contract ended.
     
  6. May 27, 2012 #346 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    Nobody said we should just drop any channel. The argument is... AMC said (quoted in an article I read) that they are currently getting about 25 cents but feel like they should be getting 75 cents. They think they are as good as USA or TNT.

    So... if AMC gets their 75 cents... then USA and TNT are going to say that they need to triple their fees too because they get far better average ratings than AMC does...

    And then we all will cancel out satellite because every channel triples its fees overnight.

    Nobody said that AMC was horrible, that it should be dropped, or that it is worthless... What has been argued, however, is just what that worth is... and when your best rated show ever is about 3 times your average ratings for your next best show... and those shows are only one night of the week's worth of ratings... and all that is under 10% of the number of people currently paying to get your channel... I don't think you are in a position to be trying to demand triple your current rates!

    To be blunt... this is kind of what happened with Voom. Dish agreed to pay Voom a bunch for their 15 channel suite... and Voom agreed to invest that money in better programming and more variety... only, that never happened... so Dish wanted to cut back to the 5 most popular channels... and Rainbow Media then said "all or nothing"... so then Dish said, ok nothing.

    Rainbow sued Dish and that has been going for a few years now.

    Meanwhile... Rainbow spun off the "AMC Networks" as a separate company... but it sure looks like AMC is running things the same old screwed up way.

    Walking Dead was the highest rated cable show ever, by AMC's own reporting... and yet they wanted to slash the budget for that show and essentially ran off the successful showrunner Frank Darabondt... Other AMC shows have had some similar head-butting negotiations.

    And now they want to triple their charge to Dish at the next negotiations?

    I'll miss Walking Dead... but I'll buy that on Blu-ray anyway... so I might actually save money if Dish drops the channel!
     
  7. May 27, 2012 #347 of 1922
    inkahauts

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    Frankly, there are a few to many channels in general right now. We'd all be better off dropping about 15% of the channels out there and consolidating channels and having more good programming on fewer channels than spreading it out on so many channels. That would also cut down on costs some. AMC has too few good shows to be demanding so much money, but if they combined all their channels, then they could charge more for a channel, less for all channels, and make more money overall.
     
  8. May 27, 2012 #348 of 1922
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    If ESPN is worth 5+, then AMC is certainly worth 75 cents a month. You want AMC at 25 cents?

    Let's have Dish tell ESPN, we'll pay you 2 dollars a sub, take it or leave it.
     
  9. May 27, 2012 #349 of 1922
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    lol no. Looks like you just copy and pasted this post from the past, want us to copy and paste the answer too?
     
  10. May 28, 2012 #350 of 1922
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    Funny because "niche" channels are what made DISH stand out for a long time as they didn't carry many of the more popular stations but had a plethora of niche channels that were cheaper to carry.
     
  11. May 28, 2012 #351 of 1922
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    give it up.
    dish is droping AMC HD, end of story
     
  12. May 28, 2012 #352 of 1922
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    AMC pulling a "take it or leave it" will be left. They are not ESPN. They are not even 1/6th of an ESPN.

    Your IF THEN still fails ... ESPN is not $5 for one channel. It is $5 for a small package of channels. Just the main channel might be "worth" $2 but ESPN packages the several channels together.

    AMC wants a 200% increase so they can collect 75c on one channel. And based on their past performance with Voom I would certainly not sign any such contract without a clause that would not drop it right back down to 25c if they did not maintain the ratings they have today.


    Perhaps it will be dropped. There is still a chance AMC will come to their senses and stop overvaluing their product.
     
  13. May 28, 2012 #353 of 1922
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    For those who think they are immune because they have another cable or satellite provider may want to think again on this. Sure Dish may drop AMC but most likely they end up getting their channel back in a contract negotiation. However, for the ones thinking that their provider does not do this may want to really examine the big picture. Right now I hear Directv customers complaining because they don't have G4.
     
  14. May 28, 2012 #354 of 1922
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    Hw many exactly are complaining about g4?

    And how many on DIRECTV where complaining abut amc not in Hi Definition?

    I agree that no company is immune to any of this, but at some point, you have to question the tactics of a company, and dish is making a lot of strange and underhanded moves lately. I'd be more on dishes side and say drop them if I thought they where doing this solely because of what they feel is to large an increase. That needs to be stopped, but I wonder if they have even tried to negotiate.
     
  15. May 28, 2012 #355 of 1922
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    G4 didn't have Emmy-award-winning, critically acclaimed programs.
     
  16. May 28, 2012 #356 of 1922
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    As one of the few who will apparently drop Dish when they drop AMC, I considered for a few seconds going back to DirecTV since they have AMC, great new customer deals and nice, albeit slow, DVRs. But the latest national HD comparison HERE on AVSForum was the final nail in the coffin. I was saddened to see that DirecTV is now 10th out of the 12 providers listed there. Sure they have everybody beat in sports, but that doesn't help me find a replacement for Dish in terms of national HD. I have no choice but to go through with my initial plan of going back cable (yuck).

    All in all, satellite tv has served me well the past 12 years or so, but both providers have been surpassed by cable companies in terms of HD content. I never thought I'd see the day. So I'm quite disgusted with both Dish and DirecTV for letting their sizable lead in HD slip away and leaving us formerly loyal subs with no options. Although I hate cable with a passion, at least I'll get the Disney channels back and gain IFC in HD (I'm a huge Portlandia fan).
     
  17. May 28, 2012 #357 of 1922
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    Give what up? We know Dish is dropping AMC. We also know that our complaints here will have no effect on that decision nor will it have the slightest influence on changing their mind. We rant and we inform, not necessarily in that order.
     
  18. May 28, 2012 #358 of 1922
    inkahauts

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    But does your local cable company carry Hi Definition channels that DIRECTV and/or dish don't that you actually watch? And how many hours does that add up teach week. No one has everything, so you can't simply look at Hi Definition Channel count as a final determining factor. Its a great starting point, but not a finishing point.

    I don't see many people leaving dish because of amc getting dropped. Just like I didn't see many people actually leave DIRECTV because they had amc in sd only for so long.
     
  19. May 28, 2012 #359 of 1922
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    Uh...that AVS Forum listing is vastly INCORRECT for my local provider, Comcast. Just make sure you verify that your local cable provider provides what you are expecting. Just because you local provider has the same name as a national provider (Comcast in my case) doesn't mean you get the same service as everyone else. My local Comcast is a perfect example.

    Ex. Based on the AVS Forum post my local Comcast should provide HD channels for all HBO East channels. In actuality I have access to only ONE HBO East channel in HD. BBCA, DIY, all NOT in HD in my local area...I could go on....

    The more I look the more I find errors in that list...missing channels, channels in/not in HD, etc. :nono2:
     
  20. May 28, 2012 #360 of 1922
    mdavej

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    I realize I'm definitely in the minority. I left DirecTV in large part due to no AMC HD, and will now leave Dish for the same reason.

    I have a specific list of about 20 must have channels, some more important than others. Up to now Dish had most of them. DirecTV is missing several, like BBCA and G4. A few months ago my cable company had very few of my top 20, but they now have them all. Even if some are rarely watched, if my provider removes that content entirely, they no longer get my money.
     
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