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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 4, 2012 #461 of 1922
    DoyleS

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    In the end, it looks a lot like a threeway lose.
    Both Dish and AMC will likely lose some revenue over this. All unhappy subscribers will not change services. AMC loses a bunch of revenue based on Dish's total number of subscribers. Dish loses whoever decides to move or downgrade plus some amount of goodwill similar to the Netflix Ill Will. Subscribers that care about AMC and don't switch to another provider lose the show or wind up having to pay a lot more from Amazon or iTunes for these few shows. But, it all gets pretty personal based on one's preferences. For AMC, losing that revenue means there is just that much less money to fund some of these original shows. In this poor economy AMC's stock could also tank just like Netflix did. Not sure it would affect Dish the same way. Kind of like watching one of those high stakes Poker matches.
     
  2. Jun 4, 2012 #462 of 1922
    goinsleeper

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    If AMC is asking for a ridiculous amount compared to their last agreement then, agreed, it should be dropped. They should be told 'No'. If they can do it to one provider, they will try it with all providers.

    What i don't like about the situation is how each Charlie has a reason for what they're saying; that either sounds false or is being used to cover up the real issue... a lawsuit.
     
  3. Jun 4, 2012 #463 of 1922
    sigma1914

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    That's the case for most networks. Each top 20 cable network (AMC included) has a couple shows that keep it's ratings up. FX has Sons of Anarchy, Justified, and maybe 1 or 2 more. History has Pawn Stars, American Pickers & Swamp People.
     
  4. Jun 4, 2012 #464 of 1922
    Hunter844

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    Maybe they will give us Starz for free for a year.
     
  5. Jun 4, 2012 #465 of 1922
    goinsleeper

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    Sorry to repost, but the reason most providers won't let their customers know about the channels dropping prior to them actually going off air is to keep from raising an alarm. If E* sent a message to all customers about it now, many may try jumping ship. Then, if the negotiations actually work out, they have already lost the subs. Not to mention the subs who would disconnect for the 'principle of it' even if they do not watch AMC. And yes, they're out there.
     
  6. Jun 4, 2012 #466 of 1922
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    Then don't expect them to not complain. They have a right regaurdless!
     
  7. Jun 4, 2012 #467 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    Did you read the link I posted earlier which was from last September where AMC was already talking about wanting to triple their average rates from ~25 cents to 75 cents?

    Then AMC tries to say this year it is about the lawsuit... but last year AMC was talking about tripling their rates... so Dish knew this day was coming where AMC was going to want to raise the rates unreasonably and then try and blame the lawsuit as a smoke screen.

    I like how people want to link Dish and the lawsuit to these negotiations BUT don't want to think AMC might have similar motives. Maybe AMC wants money that Dish didn't pay because the lawsuit isn't settled, so AMC wants to raise rates because of that.

    Why is it only "blame the lawsuit" for one side and not the other?

    Meanwhile... I wish the other companies would fight the rate increases like Dish does. Maybe DirecTV and cable could join these fights when their terms are up and it would mean lower prices for all.
     
  8. Jun 4, 2012 #468 of 1922
    phrelin

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    It isn't about the lawsuit. It is about what happened leading up to the lawsuit. Billionaires don't mind playing games, sometimes winning, sometimes losing. They don't like another billionaire stealing from them. That's what Charlie Ergen believes the Dolan operation did.
     
  9. Jun 4, 2012 #469 of 1922
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    Great...
    Well, if we do lose Amc and the rest, Dish cannot call hdnet and style a replacement as I already get these channels[ 250 package].

    Maybe charlie's got something better up his sleeve.......

    Hope so.

    Thanks to those that posted the channels the move was made to. I never thought to look there.

    As an added thought, I was so interested in History's "Hatfield & McCoys" I forgot to watch "madmen". So glad I did.
     
  10. Jun 4, 2012 #470 of 1922
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    Big deal.........what is .50. I will gladly pay an additional .50 each month.

    When I started with Dish........the sports package was an extra 5.00 per month..........now it is 8.00........that is almost double in 10 years. When I added the hd package, I had several channels.....espn news, disney, abc family & others that were included. Now they are not.......but Dish has not reduced my monthly charge & they won't with the AMC situation. I just want what I pay for....nothing more & nothing less.

    So if someone could supply a phone # or an email address so that I can voice my displeasure, it would be greatly appreciated
     
  11. Jun 4, 2012 #471 of 1922
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    Anybody got the number for the Dolans?



    At least this is bringing the old members out of the woodwork.
     
  12. Jun 4, 2012 #472 of 1922
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    I think it plays a factor in how willing they are to make concessions with each other though and the dynamic of the relationship. I would say you can't say it doesn't matter but I would also say that it's probably not the main reason for this either. If that were the case DISH wouldn't have any Rainbow programming that has come up for contract renewal.
     
  13. Jun 4, 2012 #473 of 1922
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    Great...
    Indie's gone. [ was on 393]

    that sucks:confused:
     
  14. Jun 4, 2012 #474 of 1922
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    You're probably right. The more time goes on, the more it seems like Charlie Ergen runs his business based on emotion and personal beliefs, and less like a proper business targeting revenue and profitability. I used to watch those "Charlie Chats" every month religiously. Charlie really came across as a nice, decent guy, someone you'd want to have a beer with.

    But over time, watching his actions in all these disputes, it seems to me that the guy can't separate his personal feelings from the business. And worst of all, he appears to have forgotten his customers entirely.
     
  15. Jun 4, 2012 #475 of 1922
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    Where did it go? Thats a Starz channel . Not Rainbow media
     
  16. Jun 4, 2012 #476 of 1922
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    Great...
    Well, it was there after they moved AMC & the lot. I watched it.

    Interesting that you say it's a "starz" channel, as I sub to starz currently, and it was never in the line up.

    I think Dish made it part of the BB package.
     
  17. Jun 4, 2012 #477 of 1922
    damondlt

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    Yes correct It is in the HD add on pack, not starz superpack.
     
  18. Jun 4, 2012 #478 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    Exactly... I can agree with that.

    The AMC dispute is over one thing and one thing only... AMC wants more money than Dish wants to pay, period.

    BUT... the ongoing lawsuit is a mitigating factor for BOTH sides. Dish isn't as likely to cave for higher rates because they don't have a good working relationship already with AMC... and AMC isn't likely to cave because they are mad that Dish has been fighting the lawsuit.

    That's why I don't like when people operate as if only Dish might be "mad" over the lawsuit... BOTH sides are mad or the lawsuit would have gone away years ago...

    This current AMC dispute is purely over price... but each side is looking to dig in harder than usual. That's why it is naive to think only Dish might be thinking about the lawsuit and why it was poor of AMC to try and spin this as if the only reason Dish might disagree with tripling their fee is because of the lawsuit.
     
  19. Jun 4, 2012 #479 of 1922
    Stewart Vernon

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    IF it ended there, I might agree with you. But if AMC can get that kind of price increase, then all the channels above them will be asking for even more... and many below them will be saying "hey, we have 3 good shows too" and before you know it everybody is asking for a price increase and nobody can afford satellite.

    That's why I support Dish drawing lines in the sand.

    Firstly... You're comparing 10 years vs 1 year here and saying that if something doubles in 10 years it would be ok to double in one year?

    Secondly... using what math is going from 5 to 8 "almost double"? That's a 60% increase... Doubling would be a 100% increase.

    AMC, by the way, asking from 25 cents to 75 cents would be 200% increase.

    Your sport package going from $5 to $15 would be a comparison similar to the increase AMC is asking for...
     
  20. Jun 4, 2012 #480 of 1922
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    Yep. But Dish has taken pre-emptive, punitive action a full month before the contract is even out. Just because AMC wants higher rates is no indication of what they actually asked for yet. Others have asked for even more in the past and never been treated this way. Banished to the 9000's a full month ahead (essentially hidden with no notice whatsoever), a decree of no contract renewal nearly 2 months ahead, bogus reasons for dropping (poor ratings, availability on iTunes and Netflix). I've never seen Dish being this nasty and belligerent in other disputes. They're behaving like children.
     
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