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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 14, 2012 #701 of 1922
    steveT

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    It just reeks of a dispute ruled by emotion rather than math. As discussed earlier, Dish is probably paying twice as much for a network like CNN, which can't even manage 400K viewers in primetime, versus AMC which can draw 7M for "The Walking Dead".

    Sad fact is, most companies only focus on customer satisfaction while they're young and growing. Once they get established and the top execs are all set for life with fat pay packages, they really couldn't care less about the customers.
     
  2. Jun 14, 2012 #702 of 1922
    SayWhat?

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    AMC/Rainbow is the one at fault here, call them.
     
  3. Jun 14, 2012 #703 of 1922
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    Ego. Hubris. Arrogance. They feel they're bigger than their businesses.
     
  4. Jun 14, 2012 #704 of 1922
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    People following this thread have seen both sides laid out as clearly as we non-insiders can probably get. I personally come down on the side of the company which has succeeded in increasing their brand value through the creation of quality programming, and I believe in the kind of capitalism where you can price your product to the value provided. I don't support companies that intentionally destroy data in advance of pending court cases.

    My original point was about Dish's actions on their Facebook page in reference to this dispute. Just how many people are they now banning from posting their displeasure at the prospect of losing AMC? Last week, the anti-Dish postings were blazing in every minute. Now it's posts like "I love my Dish!" Dish is now likely banning anyone highlighting the dispute.
     
  5. Jun 14, 2012 #705 of 1922
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    I reiterate, Rainbow/AMC is the problem here. Complain to them about their unreasonable demands.
     
  6. Jun 14, 2012 #706 of 1922
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    Worth noting that the Walking Dead airs on Sunday nights... not exactly going up against most networks strongest primetime lineup. I wonder if the Walking Dead would do so good if it played M-F?

    Don't get me wrong... I like the show... but it isn't exactly airing against the strongest competition in its timeslot.

    As for CNN and primetime... I wouldn't expect ANY of the newschannels to do boffo ratings during primetime UNLESS there was some major news event. Say during a hurricane doing major damage or a terrorist attack or basically some big news story... the rest of the time, CNN and other news groups just aren't going to compete in primetime because that's when the other networks take over with escapism programming for viewers.

    Capitalism works differently than that... you can only charge what people are willing to pay, and that may or may not be as much as you want or need to charge.

    It depends on how people post their displeasure... if people are rude or spam the site posts like that would get deleted anywhere. You have the right to express displeasure but not to harass.
     
  7. Jun 14, 2012 #707 of 1922
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    You can reiterate all you want but it seems that the vast majority here and on Facebook don't agree with you.
     
  8. Jun 14, 2012 #708 of 1922
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    ^Then count me in the minority as well. This is all on AMC and they are doing their best to make Dish out to be the bad guy in this dispute. Lawsuits aside Rainbow/AMC does not deserve a raise of any kind. Their best programming is already starting to slip.
     
  9. Jun 14, 2012 #709 of 1922
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    why don't u people that want AMC so bad,call them and and ask them not to be so greedy
    and come to terms with dish at a fair price?
     
  10. Jun 14, 2012 #710 of 1922
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    This has nothing to do with AMC and everything to do with ESPN. Everything is priced off ESPN. The more ESPN extracts from every subscriber, the more every other major channel will demand a significant percentage of same.

    Don't believe me. Six months ago, this ran in the NYT...

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/b...stay-there.html?ref=business&pagewanted=print

    December 18, 2011

    In Top Tier, History Channel Fights to Stay There

    By BRIAN STELTER

    History’s revenues are not disclosed, but to date most of its growth has come from charging more for ads, not from charging more to distributors who carry the channel. That will largely come later, when A&E renegotiates its contracts with distributors. It will aim to have History become a must-have channel, as ESPN has been for years.
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  11. Jun 14, 2012 #711 of 1922
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    First, Dish announced they were dropping AMC long before AMC "demanded" anything. Second, we know how much AMC wants, but not how how much they've demanded from Dish. It may be quite reasonable for all we know. It's Dish that's been unreasonable and dishonest from all the bogus reasons they've given. In any case I've already cancelled Dish over this fiasco, so I have won't be calling anyone to complain.
     
  12. Jun 14, 2012 #712 of 1922
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    Breaking Bad is the only program they have that interests me, and I can get that elsewhere. I really don't care what they do.
     
  13. Jun 14, 2012 #713 of 1922
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    So... if Dish kept quiet and then AMC went dark the end of the month when no new contract was signed, people would blame Dish for not warning them...

    BUT

    Dish warns everyone a month early that AMC wants more than Dish feels the viewership warrants... and that too is something to blame on Dish for "complaining" before negotiations were complete.

    Just want to be sure I understand that no matter who is at fault, Dish will be blamed.

    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Jun 15, 2012 #714 of 1922
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    to bad
     
  15. Jun 15, 2012 #715 of 1922
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    Please stay on-topic. Off-topic posts have been removed.
     
  16. Jun 15, 2012 #716 of 1922
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    I read the whole article, looking for some nefarious intent on the part of History Channel (or AMC or anyone else for that matter.) I just don't see it. According to the article, History is the 5th-highest rated cable channel, and they want to build on that such that they are as in demand as ESPN. Obviously, creating programming that has that kind of popularity is more expensive than reruns of documentaries, so they'll get paid more.

    What I didn't see in the article is any discussion of how they want to get ESPN prices for their channel. Just that they want to be as watched as ESPN.

    ESPN takes a lot of heat for how expensive they are. The reality is that their costs are probably greater than any other channel. Covering live events is not cheap, and that doesn't include rights to cover events. They produce more hours of first-run content than any other channel in the top 10 in ratings. Only the news channels produce more hours of first-run content, much of which is fairly inexpensive. Rachael Maddow wishes she could earn as much as ESPN pays the NFL for a single season of MNF.
     
  17. Jun 15, 2012 #717 of 1922
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    Once thing is obvious...these decisions are too important to be left up to the people being paid to make them. :lol:
     
  18. Jun 15, 2012 #718 of 1922
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    The networks used to air their strongest programming on Sunday night, with the idea that it would be "water-cooler" conversation on Monday morning to generate buzz and ratings. But that model gave way to the Thursday night model, where they can charge more for advertisers wanting to get to customers prior to weekend shopping. So that left a hole on Sundays. If you were a network like AMC, your target would be to fill that hole, not go up against the tougher competition on Thursdays...

    As for pricing, that's correct. Most people assume things should be priced based on cost, but the truth is that they should be priced on market value (what people are willing to pay). And the starting point in figuring out that price is estimating the value you bring to your consumer. Then you put it out there and see if you can get people to pay. In this case, Dish is the middleman between the ultimate customer and the content provider. And we've seen that Dish hasn't made any efforts to see what their customers are willing to pay.

    As for Facebook, I only expressed displeasure, and pointed people to calling Dish. I never once harassed or spammed. Yet my posts were still deleted. At every turn in this dispute, Dish is doing whatever it can to avoid addressing their customer's concerns directly.
     
  19. Jun 15, 2012 #719 of 1922
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    Amen! Thanks for saying that. But God forbid we do anything in this country to push back against the sports machine. Sports is the true religion in this country. You would never see a dispute play out like this AMC fiasco is, between Dish and ESPN. If there was one threat to ESPN being removed from Dish, people would be marching with pitchforks and torches into Englewood, Colorado.
     
  20. Jun 15, 2012 #720 of 1922
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    I agree with you. And I have very strong opinions about the big picture here.

    AMC is a channel I would like to support because of the content it has been developing. But philosophically I can't justify people who don't watch it being taxed to support it, or ESPN, or the History Channel, or OWN, or....

    Historically societies through government have used taxation to make all citizens contribute to a greater good. The most frequent greater good has been for common defense. But over time, this has included providing for the unfortunate so we don't have to watch them die in the street from starvation or illness.

    Here we are in the 21st Century and we're talking about a product not available to people 100 years ago because it isn't a human necessity - television. In our situation, multinational corporations decided to create "packages" that help fund "startup" and "low audience appeal but important" channels, a common good as defined by the multinational corporations.

    In most homes today where the channel is in nearly every package, we pay over $7 a month for ESPN and some of its sister channels - a tax on everyone (particularly resented by those who don't watch sports) in order to be certain professional athletes, media corporate executives, and billionaire team owners can become richer. Multinational media companies have decided this is a common good. As the article indicates, this is a policy which needs to be emulated for the History Channel which is also in most homes today.

    I have found it startling that people who rant about paying taxes for "entitlement" programs that provide health care for children get upset when people like me say I resent paying "taxes" supporting ESPN and Disney so I can access shows on USA and FX, particularly when those tax rates are set by multinational corporations and billionaires, not government.

    In 2012 TV channels should be a commodity I buy directly, which is then delivered to me through a cable, satellite, or telcom company that I pay for access to bandwidth, exactly as I do on the internet.

    If I don't watch a channel, I shouldn't have to pay for some common good mutually defined by Rupert Murdoch and Charles Ergen.

    And at some point, this could be reduced down to whatever content I want to buy, as opposed to a "channel." Right now I can buy episodes of "Mad Men" for $1.99 each through Amazon. Maybe that is the best approach.

    The question is, what will a Monday Night Football game cost if it is priced separately? I know, I know, Colosseum-type entertainment is a common good we all should be taxed for, a policy that has historical precedent as far back as Imperial Rome.:rolleyes:
     
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