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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Jun 26, 2012 #921 of 1922
    Laxguy

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    Winters,...
    Yes, DIRECTV® has been pretty mum on the situation; the right course.

    I rather like the commercials you pan. The fact that you wrote about them shows they're effective at some level.

    What would you write as a commercial, then?
     
  2. Jun 26, 2012 #922 of 1922
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    I rather liked the "Don't just watch TV, Direct TV"....or something like that, and I have Dish. :lol:
     
  3. Jun 26, 2012 #923 of 1922
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    Great...
    Well, to each their own.

    I mentioned it because I can't believe a company like direct can't do better with their advertising budget. I don't find their stuff interesting or creative, or even mildly amusing, in fact, I have to wonder what group of viewers they are trying to appeal to. I can't get up fast enough to stretch my legs.

    What would I create? Well it should have at least two of the three components I mentioned above. It is no suprise to me that the hopper's ability to skip crap is so popular.

    Yes,[ I agree] to direct's credit, they haven't jumped on the amc thing.
     
  4. Jun 26, 2012 #924 of 1922
    Laxguy

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    Winters,...
    One of the main goals of some advertising is brand recognition and/or stick-in-the-memory ads wherein you at least recall the name. DIRECTV® ads meet those criteria, according to you. (Doesn't have to have any of the attributes you mention.)

    Do you like the Hoppah ads?

    I still don't know what you'd propose for a better DIRECTV® campaign!
     
  5. Jun 26, 2012 #925 of 1922
    SayWhat?

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    I think Direct knows that if Dish gives in, Rainbow will come after them next. I think they're hoping Dish stands strong and drops Rainbow which should break Rainbow's will to extort other carriers.
     
  6. Jun 26, 2012 #926 of 1922
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    Great...
    Just because something "sticks in your head" doesn't mean I want it there, nor does it mean I will bite off on it. In fact, the more irritating something becomes, the faster I go in the opposite direction.

    Hopper ads? Not much.

    If it doesn't provoke thought or make me smile [ at least] there is little substance. As for proposing a direct tv ad campaign, well, thats what the people at direct get the big bucks for.

    IMO, there are some people here on this forum that could do a better job;)
     
  7. Jun 26, 2012 #927 of 1922
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    Sure -- this way they get the advantage of a weakened adversary AND some collateral customers who jump from DISH.

    "You are an excellent tactician, Captain. You let your second-in-command attack while you sit and watch for weakness." -- Khan Noonien Singh to Captain Kirk, "Space Seed," TOS
     
  8. Jun 26, 2012 #928 of 1922
    James Long

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    What are commercials? I have a Hopper. :D

    Just kidding ... I still see the occasional commercial on non-broadcast channels. I also noticed that DirecTV seems to be targeting cable more than DISH ... and DISH seems to be targeting DirecTV. DirecTV has been good in the past about taking DISH's newest campaign and twisting it to their advantage. DISH introduced "better TV for all" and soon we saw "Good TV. Better TV. DirecTV." It seemed like DISH had almost given up when they introduced "Let's Watch TV" instead of saying they were better than a competitor. And DirecTV introduced "Don't just watch TV, DirecTV". Not to say that there isn't an anti-DISH DirecTV ad playing somewhere, but there seems to be a lot of anti-cable ads. They must me working because DirecTV keeps making more.

    I don't believe DirecTV's focus on cable has anything to do with AMC. They just signed their "multi-year contract" last year, if I remember correctly.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2012 #929 of 1922
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    I think one of the reasons I dislike these ads so much is they pander to a kid's mentality.

    Well, maybe that's it. [kid] Mom, dad, don't get cable! Bad things will happen!

    jeeez.
     
  10. Jun 27, 2012 #930 of 1922
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    Sheesh, I think their ads are clever and entertaining.

    PS. I'm a 74 year old kid and a Dish 'fanboy'.

    PPS. I don't watch the movies on AMC as they add at least an hour of commercials to a two hour movie.
     
  11. Jun 27, 2012 #931 of 1922
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    I love the new ads.
    Way better than the Russians.
     
  12. Jun 27, 2012 #932 of 1922
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    Interesting things afoot...

    If you go to the keepamc.com Web site now... there are two buttons on the main page. One says "Dish" and the other says "AT&T".

    Click Dish, and it goes to the same "Read the real reason" rhetoric...

    Click AT&T, and it goes to a new page urging U-Verse customers to email AT&T about keeping AMC.

    So... Of course this can't be about prices, right? I mean... somehow U-Verse must be threatening to drop AMC as revenge for the Voom lawsuit against Dish too... right? That's the only reason for the Dish dispute... so obviously U-Verse has no cause to be in a dispute!

    :rolleyes::eek2::nono2:
     
  13. Jun 28, 2012 #933 of 1922
    harsh

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    You mean 78 hours of highly rated programming isn't enough to fill a 24/7/365 schedule???
     
  14. Jun 28, 2012 #934 of 1922
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    Interesting indeed. I wonder if the entire voom thing didn't have some effect, maybe in how hard dish bothered to try and negotiate, but I don't think thatd be a reason by itself to dump amc. Maybe jus the cherry on top of the whip cream on top of the giant banana split sundae. In the end, the dollar rules, and if they could keep amc at a price they feel is reasonable I am sure they would, because then they wouldn't have to worry about loosing a single customer do to loosing amc...

    I love it. That will likely hurt amc more than it helps their public relations cause, because having two carriers on the same web site just shows everyone what the common denominator is... Amc...
     
  15. Jun 28, 2012 #935 of 1922
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    Yeah, that's exactly what I've said before. You would be naive to think the suit didn't come up in the AMC dispute... but I doubt it was the reason. As I had noted before, we gained the AMCHD feed during the Voom lawsuit... IF the suit was holding negotiations down, then we never would have gotten AMCHD!

    I'm sure the negotiations broke down over the dollar... and Dish in the back of their minds thinking "here we go again". If you have history with a company, that's bound to come up in a new negotiation... but it wouldn't kill a good solid deal.

    Dish might be nitpicky and penny-pinching... but they don't usually do things to spite themselves. IF there is high demand and the price is fair, Dish usually signs up with little fanfare.

    That's exactly my thinking too... AMC themselves is drawing attention to a concurrent dispute with two different carries... and it also calls to question their blaming of the lawsuit for the whole thing with Dish, especially when they don't have a similar "read the truth" link on the AT&T page.

    Anyone going to that page will not see AMC has two disputes... and can't blame the lawsuit for the AT&T one.

    Curiously... I was looking around for more info... and it looks like AMC had a similar dispute with AT&T almost exactly 2 years ago as well... so this is the second time around for U-Verse to have issues with AMC.
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    Some other places talking about the AT&T news:

    "U-Verse said in a statement issued Wednesday evening that AMC Networks was seeking an “excessive rate increase” for a new carriage deal covering AMC, IFC and We TV. The existing contact expires at 11:59 p.m. EST on Saturday, AT&T said."

    http://thewalkingdeadrumors.com/zombie/first-dish-now-att-to-drop-amc/

    "The public tussle between the telco and the programmer comes just two years after their last round of contract talks went bitterly down to the wire."

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118056062

    Looks like the same essential article at both places, so a common source must have released this info. I dug around and it looks like AT&T issued a statement today and that appears to be the source of the common info.

    It would appear that much of the time the Dish/AMC dispute has been public, that they have been having the same problem with AT&T. What's different?

    Well... AMC went public with the Dish dispute, blaming the Voom lawsuit... and then Dish began firing back. AMC had no similar unrelated beef with AT&T so they didn't go public with that dispute until apparently this week when they added it to their keepamc.com Web site and that has prompted AT&T to say what Dish has been saying all along... Asking for too high of an increase and wanting to negotiate in public instead of in private.
     
  17. Jun 28, 2012 #937 of 1922
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    I just hope neither cave to any price that wouldn't be considered reasonable by the other. That way one agreeing to a contract won't make the other look like they aren't willing to deal.
     
  18. Jun 28, 2012 #938 of 1922
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    If they both turned AMC off, Charles Dolan would have a major PR problem that could become a financial disaster over the long term.
     
  19. Jun 28, 2012 #939 of 1922
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    I'm wondering where all the "it's because of the Voom lawsuit" people are going to be as they learn about AMC wanting more money from AT&T as well.

    There's some serious crow that needs to be eaten.

    Even better... Dish might very well be able to turn the tables on Dolan and use the negative campaigning and the accusations of Dish threatening to drop AMC over the Voom lawsuit and say something like "see what AMC is willing to do, to lie and say they aren't asking for more money but that we are holding a grudge against them even while they are simultaneously also demanding more money from another provider."

    Not only might this backfire on the channel negotiations for AMC... but it could have repercussions for the Voom trial that Rainbow had been making some positive headway in the courts... basically AMC keeping their mouths shut would have been better for them. They've just stuck their foot in their mouth and been caught with their pants down.

    If Charlie and Dish are smart... they should just sit back now and let this thing dissolve right in front of them as people begin to question everything AMC has been saying the past month.
     
  20. Jun 28, 2012 #940 of 1922
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    Now if we can just get Comcast and Direct on the train ......
     
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