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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. phrelin

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    Fascinating. The original post in this thread was on May 4 and this will be post 1422 or 21 posts a day.

    Post 1303 was just posted on the DirecTV - Viacom dispute thread that was started on July 9, giving it 651 posts a day.

    So I suppose the Dish installer will also have hundreds of installs waiting because DirecTV dropped 17 Viacom channels.

    And instead of churn being between 1.25%-1.50% for both it will be between 1.50%-1.75% for both. And they both will have a bunch of new customers locked into 2-year contracts while they will have lost a bunch of old customers who weren't locked into 2-year contracts.

    Sometimes life is predictable.
     
  2. SayWhat?

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    I've been watching more on the 'replacement' channels than I ever did on the Rainbow channels.

    Some say they're not really replacements, just channel shifts, but even so, I never knew they were there.

    I'm fine with the end result.
     
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  4. Stewart Vernon

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  5. aa62579

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    My parent's do not live too far away, but I wouldn't be comfortable watching Breaking Bad with my parents and they only have a DVR on the main tv. The show comes on too late for me to go over there to watch it live in the spare bedroom and then drive home.

    As it would turn out, my husband and I have to go there on Monday while my parents are out of town to care of all the livestock. The last time I was out there I tried to set up the DVR so that it will record either the season or at least the first episode. (No one has ever used the DVR, so I think I set it up right, but not certain.) We'll be able to watch the first episode there before we come home.

    I ended up having to buy an iPad for work. I'm guessing I would be able to buy the episodes while I was somewhere with a wifi connection and still be able to watch them on the ipad later. Might even be able to connect it to the tv.

    **As an aside, will be watching the VIACOM deal, as there are two shows I watch on their networks as well. However, my husband doesn't watch any, so it would be easier to deal with.
     
  6. Jaspear

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    Over on the other forum the stats are reversed. The AMC thread has 2901 posts, Viacom has 560. I think the numbers have more do do with the forum orientation, but I do agree that both providers will end up with a bunch of shiny new subscribers with contracts.
     
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    I called today to cancel because of the whole AMC thing and all they offered me was a lousy $30 credit. Not to mention, I could barely understand the CSR. I;m sick of these off shore call centers. Bye Dish.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    I think the Viacom dispute is uglier publicly than the amc one,yet I think there is more of a chance of the Viacom one getting settled than the amc one.

    However, I often wonder how much either sides negotiators pay attention to the other sides marketing departments during these things. I get the feeling the publicity on the Viacom dispute is being driven by the marketing folks, but the publicity for the amc dispute is being driven by management. Dish seems to be offering a more permanent solution to its customers, where DIRECTV seems to be saying sit tight, well get this figured out. Two very different images pushed by the two companies.
     
  11. bf1967

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    Well I guess it depends on who you talk to. I called back today to extend my stop date a week later. When I got the retention CSR he was super helpful and offered me discounts (1/2 off HBO for 6 months, plus another $60 credit ) & a ROKU box. I also inquired about a hopper + 3 joeys and he offered me that for $50 plus free install. I am a much happier customer now.

    Bob
     
  12. Jhon69

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    Stewart:

    Excellent post.I could not have said it better myself.:)
     
  13. Stewart Vernon

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    Dumb question time...

    But, doesn't this actually prove the point Dish was trying to make AND make it even less likely for Dish to offer more money to AMC?

    Consider...

    Dish said "AMC wants more money than the viewership demands AND AMC puts their stuff on other online services for customers to get."

    So... if AMC counters by making shows available for free... how does that work?

    Doesn't AMC's "we need more money" argument get blown away? They would let Dish drop them and give the programs away BUT to stay on Dish they needed more money? How exactly does that make sense?

    And from Dish's perspective... why would you pay money for a channel that is giving the content away online now? Doesn't that make you even less likely to offer a rate increase to AMC?

    This move confuses me.
     
  14. SayWhat?

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    Teaser.

    We'll give you one free to get your interest and make you want to call Dish and tell them how great our one hour a week of programming is.
     
  15. Wilf

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    And this is the reverse of what Viacom did, which was remove their shows from their web sites. The old business models are becoming obsolete, and the media companies don't seem to know what to do.
     
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    Except to scream "Give us more money!!"
     
  17. oldengineer

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    Viacom is asking D* to take what amounts to a 17% increase in fees annually for the next 5 years. I hope for all of our sakes that D* doesn't cave on this.
     
  18. Ira Lacher

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    A package increase of a standard $5 increase amounts to about a 7% increase. A 17% percent increase would be about $12. That's probably beyond what many customers would agree would be worth it.
     
  19. Jhon69

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    It shouldn't AMC doesn't want to rock the internet boat,their objective is to rock the satellite boat.

    Online is the future remember how back in the 80s we could get all our programming for free minus the cost of the satellite system,then when a certain amount of viewership was reached what happened? the programmers started scrambling their signal.I suggest the same thing will happen again.

    The programmers also just can't understand why the providers just can't pass along the costs to the consumers.They found out early that Charlie Ergen and Dish Network would not go along with them,and now that AT&T balked at a price,but then they were able to settle that quick,but now DirecTV is balking at the price too with Viacom.

    The programmers have to be careful they are not price fighting with too many providers at one time,because the advertisers will demand a cut in price they pay for commercials due to lack of viewership.;)
     
  20. nmetro

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    My take on this is that the more the fees go up, the less quality is found on what we pay for. Most of the channels run the same recent hour long show as a bloc. There is rarely new programming. Much of the programming are reality shows or clones of reality shows.

    One has to think, that since 1947 there are countless hours of TV and cable shows, as well as movies produced. But, with the exception of me-TV, Retro Telvision Network, etc., there is just so much Law & Order (all variants), CSI (all variants), and other programs which do not pre-date the mid-1980s.

    It is hard to believe that Disney, Viacom, AMC, Time-Warner, Comcast/NBC/Universal, et. al. can claim they demand higher and higher fees for new original programming, when original programming amounts to less then 10% of what they air. If I recall AMC/IFC/We, was running 4 hours of original programming per week for part of the year. Certainly not enough to justify a massive increase. And Viacom? It is probably the same or worse.

    The networks are wondering why people are going to internet sources. Could it be that 250 - 300 channels have nothing on?

    Personally, I spend much of my viewing time with the various movie channels, some broadcast network shows and a once in a while program of interest on the cable channels. But, when networks like History, H2, National Georgraphic, Discovery Networks, all have become poor incantations of FOX Reality Channel; it actually makes going back to PBS, with auctions and beg-a-thons, very appealing. Throw in endless commercials, which further drive people away.

    To end, I still think there was more variety on the seven main VHF channels in New York (2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13) in the 1960s, then what I get now with 250+ channels. And back then, all we had to buy was a good TV antenna.
     
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