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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by lparsons21, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Yeah, but you're talking about the bigger picture. I'm talking about the current dispute.

    You want my product. I am charging too much. You refuse to buy at the new price... so... I start giving it away for free? How does that help me negotiate with you?

    IF AMC has given up on Dish and doesn't want to be back, then fine... but if they still want to be carried by Dish, then giving away their "valuable" content tends to undermine their position of how they "need an increase" to continue providing that programming.

    Dish didn't say they couldn't afford to pay AMC, they said AMC was overvaluing the product they offer... AMC is countering by undervaluing and giving away that product. That seems like backwards negotiating tactics to me.
     
  2. SayWhat?

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    There's a lot more truth to that than most people would care to admit. Nearly everything today has already been done dozens of times. Even the sitcoms are all rehashes of previous concepts.
     
  3. DoyleS

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    The time period for AMC is pretty critical. They either get Dish back or enough time and episodes of BB get aired that people might just decide to wait until the DVDs come out. I see the Online situation as a last ditch attempt to garner support. The only people that will watch that episode on Sunday are people who can't get it on Dish and who have been watching the series up to this point. It would make no sense for someone like me to watch it in that I have no context from previous episodes. If I am going to watch it, I will watch from episode 1. So, my conclusion is that this is an arrow shot at Dish trying to influence Dish's customers. The fact that Direct has lost Viacom is going to make it more difficult for Dish subscribers to jump to Direct in that they would be only gaining AMC but losing the Viacom channels. And we know that most of us Satellite guys really don't like the Cable suppliers with all of their constant rate increases. MHO
     
  4. K E Will

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    I seemed to have missed the Article on the internet posted wed about most analists seeing that Dish will settle the lawsuit with Zoom and give AMC and its program package a new contract befor next walking dead season.....

    if article is right it will make the Breaking Bad and other AMC programs missed in between still mad....

    I may wait it out but i am certain now that this is all over the lawsuit being settled and that AMC was right that Dish was waiting till lawsluit was settled
     
  5. inkahauts

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    A one time showing won't undervalue it, it will create more demand from dish customers calling in to ask for the channel. That's the theory that amc is using I believe. I doubt they will show any more. I think of it more like the free HBO or show time, etc weekends.

    The opposite is true for Viacom. They waited to bolster their products value till they weren't getting paid by dtv from it.

    I said it in the other thread, I'll say it again here. The Internet streaming thing is severely undermining the current distribution system when stuff s free, or can be had cheaply by anyone, and the only way to avoid that is go the route of HBO go, which I think would actually make everyone happy. Much simpler to understand, easier too operate, and is more uniform across platforms.
     
  6. SayWhat?

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    And as has been said on many other threads, widespread use of streaming is not yet ready for primetime. Too many ISP have limits and caps that essentially eliminate streaming for many of their customers. And of course there are still very large areas of the country that have no practical streaming at all since they do not have broadband via cable or DSL.
     
  7. inkahauts

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    It still has an effect. Many younger people will gravitate towards streaming if it's free. I know several people who don't have cable, sat or antennas. They just stream everything they watch for free. Not even Netflix. They have caps in their areas, but they have yet to hit them, so no issues with that either. They don't watch everything on tv, only a few paticular shows. That's another brig problem I see, so few shows per channel that are actually newer different in any given week.

    How many viewers does that equate too? Not many,but it may be what's keeping shows from growing viewers too. Add those things together, and it's easy to see why any one channel doesn't have great overall viewership.
     
  8. DoyleS

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    The biggest problem with streaming is that unless you are dealing with iTunes, Amazon or one of the pay per view sites that are up in the $3-$5/ HD episode category, the program availability is just older shows. The content providers have not agreed to a model that will allow a subscription to an ala Carte service other than on a per episode basis. Once they do and the prices are competitive, the Satellite and cable services will take an even bigger hit from "cable cutters". The Paradigm is out there but we are still waiting on the Shift.
     
  9. phrelin

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    The difficulty with predicting streaming as an option for cable cutting is the shift that's occurring represented by these two screenshots:

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    On USA's website if you want to watch this week's episode of "Covert Affairs", you can.

    On TNT's website you can watch streaming episodes once you've confirmed you have a subscription to the channel through a cable or satellite company.

    The latter approach is becoming more prevalent because it assures the channel of a revenue stream from subscribers. And you still must sit through at least a few ads. Freebies are on their way out. IMHO it is likely to become the standard.

    And AMC, of course, allows you to buy episodes from sites like Amazon and iTunes, whether or not you get the channel from cable or satellite.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    If all these broadcasters want that much for single episodes, think of how much they will ask for if a channel is offered a la cart someday..
     
  11. Jhon69

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    It sounds to me more like AMC is trying to keep Dish subcribers and others interested in their programming because they cannot view it on DISH now,so the only other way for them to see it to keep them interested is stream it for free.

    But what AMC is doing is going to effect which programming package I choose to be in.I know I can't get rid of all of them,but I can reduce the amount of channels I support and it is nice to see that DISH is changing their packages to reflect the demands of the programmers like they are doing now.:)
     
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    And that will help me make my final decision about satellite alot easier,after what I considered getting burned by the BUD experience in the 80s I promised myself not to return until I thought they had this scrambling crap figured out.I returned in Jan.2002.

    Now in 2012 it looks like I may only have another 2 years before I throw in the towel and go back to strictly OTA like I was from the late 80s until 2002.
    The one concession will be we now have HDTV and will have more funds to add to our Bluray collection and our family does watch alot of local TV,now even more with the addition of several subchannels I can receive now like MeTV,THiS,Antenna TV and Create will help ease the pain.;):D
     
  13. Jhon69

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    I also believe another great idea for DISH to do is to list with each channel description, who owns it?.That way the object of our retaliation would be made so much easier if DISH would include that information along with each channel description.:eek2:;):D
     
  14. RVRambler

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    I don't believe we do know that!
    "because we know the Feds would stomp on that hard!",

    Unless some lobbyist(s) has paid off enough of our 'public servants' to make it an issue, it will not be an issue, FCC or congress/senate!

    Never forget, it is what the $$ tells our elected 'public servants' to do NOT what is smart/fair or best for the citizens, its all about big big big money, congress/senate does not GAD!

    Go listen/read Jack Abramoff (recent book or interviews), he was the convicted super lobbyist turned 'honest' and now knows what he did wrong, & how horribly detrimental to our 'so called democracy' his actions & most/all other lobbyist were/are!

    The affected congress/senate members are from both parties, nearly all are corrupt & take all sorts of things us 'common' folks would call bribery or very special treatment, so why would they act against all this nice special 'goodies' they get?!

     
  15. crabtrp

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    So does a Breaking Bad episode appear on Amazon and iTunes at the same time it gets broadcast on AMC? Or is there a delay?
     
  16. jrseh

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    I've no idea on your first three, but can respond to the rest at least as far as we're concerned.

    We've not called Dish, since it's been pretty clear from this forum that dropping AMC was going to happen no matter what we did. We did respond to an AMC online "petition" when this first started, and we will be watching BB online tonight.

    Dish did not really reach out to us, as they have with some others, but did send us two free PPV movie passes, which they've done before (we're good customers, you see, having been with them for six years). When I returned that email with a complaint over the AMC issue, they tried to convince me their intentions were in their customers' best interest. My subsequent reply to that did not elicit any further response.

    We don't have a contract to fulfill, so could leave at any time and may still do so. Our problem, and I'm sure we're not alone, is that we DVR everything (who needs to watch commercials?) and have tons of stuff on the DVR and EHD that we'd lose access to if we dumped Dish.

    As for calling and threatening to quit unless I get some perks, it's not something I'd do unless I meant it. We already have a Roku 2 XS (daughter gave us one for Christmas), so will use that to access the missing AMC shows for now. I'm still disgusted with the whole affair on both sides, but will not turn my life upside down over it. We've got more important fish to fry.

    John
     
  17. jrseh

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    Just watched the "season premiere" of Breaking Bad, provided free online to Dish Customers from AMC. As usual, it was great television, and I will continue with the show through whatever means are at my disposal. So much better than the usual drivel that now passes for television fare.

    I pay up for Showtime, but only watch four shows (Dexter, Weeds, The Big C, and Nurse Jackie) - the movies they also offer are either not worth my time or I've already seen. I follow three shows on AMC (Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead, and The Killing - never could get into Mad Men) and consider them just as valuable to me as the Showtime offerings. IMHO Dish is being moronic not carrying this channel - and I believe they will come to regret it.

    John
     
  18. 356B

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    Didn't work for me, it said try again later.....?
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    If you would be willing to pay AMC the same per month that you pay Showtime, please write and tell AMC that... Maybe AMC will agree to be a la carte on Dish and then you can pay them as much as they ask.

    The problem is that AMC wants to think of themselves like a premium channel, but late at night they run infomercials and want you to still pay them to do that.

    I like Walking Dead as much as anything else I watch too... but I'm going to buy the Blu-rays anyway... so if I can't watch on TV, that's fine... I'll buy the Blu-rays and it will all be new to me at that time.
     
  20. Marlin Guy

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    My TV Fairy has "Live Free or Die" ready for me.
    I'll probably watch it tonight - commercial free. :grin:
     
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