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Dish Needs to Get Moving on 3D

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by Michael1, May 18, 2011.

What is your current interest in 3D?

  1. I own a 3DTV and am anxious for more 3D content

    28 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. I don't yet own a 3DTV but am planning to buy within the next 6 months

    11 vote(s)
    9.8%
  3. I own a 3DTV but am not really interested in 3D content

    19 vote(s)
    17.0%
  4. I don't own a 3DTV and am not planning on investing in 3D in the near future

    54 vote(s)
    48.2%
  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Perfection has never stopped a videophile from seeking greater perfection. :)

    It was on a Charlie Chat back in 2010 when they were having them.

    (A live televised discussion show with the founder and then CEO of DISH, Charlie Ergen.)
     
  2. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Certainly his vision as well as his judgement are in question! Too bad. Or possibly he's one who just likes obstinacy and is gaming everyone.
     
  3. jadebox

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    I don't have the direct quote, but it was, as mentioned, in a Charlie Chat.

    It looks like Dish wants to do 3D the "right" way with full-resolution instead of doing SBS or something like that.

    Side-By-Side (SBS) - where the two images for the 3D picture are squished and shown side-by-side within a normal picture - is easy to do and doesn't require a special receiver. Dish could do that now because it would use a normal signal like a non-3D channel. SBS doesn't require a special receiver because the TV decodes the SBS image into two images. But, the channel can't be viewed on a 2D TV (unless you don't mind seeing two squished pictures) and the resolution of the picture is halved in 3D.

    Dish's plan is to broadcast 3D like it is done on a 3B Blu-Ray disc - with a full-resolution image for one eye and a seperate channel of data describing the differences for the second eye. The receiver uses the two streams to make the two images for 3D. This has the advantage of allowing the video to be viewed on either a 2D or 3D TV and, in 3D, the images will be full resolution.

    -- Roger
     
  4. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Would then this require active glasses for viewing in 3D?
     
  5. James Long

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    Glasses-free is a function of the set, not the transmission.
     
  6. HDlover

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    Yes and you have a bridge you want to sell us also? :D I, for one, am not buying it. :) Lame excuse. None of the current 3D channels are done this way. You may have a future working for Dish's PR department. :grin:
     
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  8. phrelin

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    Yeah, it's funny how the Hopper release is being driven by marketing. The new guy, President & CEO Joe Clayton, isn't a tech guy, a typical MBA type. As I understand it the Hopper will do everything perfectly from day 1 - March 15. If so, it will be Echostar's first bug free release....:sure:
     
  9. James Long

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    Beware the Ides of March! :D
     
  10. jadebox

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    Yes, none of the non-existent Dish 3D channels are handled the way I described. I don't know for sure if any will be in the future. But, it makes sense to use 1.5x the bandwidth of a single channel to provide two channels (one in 2D and one in 3D) than to use 2x the bandwidth for separate 2D and 3D channels.

    BTW ... There are a few smilies that you didn't use in your post. Be sure to click the [More] link next time. :)

    -- Roger
     
  11. tampa8

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    Not what you think though, as talked about in earlier posts, because often they have the most bells and whistles now. So those looking for that get it despite it having 3D..

    Spend some time at Best Buy, listen to people coming in for 3D, there won't be many. Then listen when the saleman talks about the advantages of having 3D now for the future, and all the refinements in picture it has.... That's where people buy it. I would want to know how many of those actually go out of their way to try and watch 3D other than at first as a novelty.
     
  12. inazsully

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    First off I see no problem with the sales person explaining the advantages of a 3D TV over a 2D TV. and I would expect most buyers of a new TV to be very uninformed regarding those advantages. Information like every manufacture in 2012 has included 3D as a feature in their top tier displays. Not just the most expensive but all of the top tier models. Information like Panasonics 3D displays (ST,GT,VT series) offer a better 2D picture than their standard 2D displays because of a different type of screen. So even if you don't care about the 3D feature many will opt for a model that provides superior 2D picture quality. Information like, you need a 3D blu-ray player to watch a 3D movie, and that 3D movies are more expensive than regular blu-ray movies, and that very little is available in 3D broadcast TV, and that Dish Network offers no 3D at this time, and ESPN offers a 3D channel.

    A good sales person should spend some time educating every potential customer in the benefits and drawbacks of 3D in today's market.
     
  13. harsh

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    3D is available on the ViP722, ViP722K and ViP922. I can't imagine why it wouldn't be available on the Hopper (unless MoCA isn't up to the task).
     
  14. FarmerBob

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    Well the money trail for George's 2D to 3D re-release in its first week was $22.5m at #4 behind #1 a none 3D Chick Flick that brought in $44m and two others all in their first week showing. So I guess the money trail ends at #4. It's original 2D release garnered $458,876,295. And they're only looking at a total gross of apx $500m with the 3D releases additional proceeds. Looks like the trail of money isn't going far. First 2D week was apx. $100 million gross in five days.
     
  15. James Long

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    There are a lot of variables in the equation. Collecting a few hundred million dollars more (plus video releases) makes it worthwhile to do a re-release but this particular series seems to get re-releases. Tweak something then sell the new version to people who already paid for the last version (and versions before).

    A theatrical re-release of a popular film is going to have some people going to the theaters just to see it again on a much bigger screen than they have at home ... and to share a common experience with other people who like that film. Having it in 3D could help or hurt the box office - some people may not want the gimmick. But it gives Lucas an excuse to do a re-release and re-re-re-envision the story he wanted to tell a long time ago, in our galaxy.

    BTW: Hans shot first.
     
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  17. tsmacro

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    Yeah went and saw it myself, the best thing I can say is that when there's a chance to see Star Wars on the big screen you take it! But as for the 3-D part of it, yeah it was just "ok".
     
  18. Jim5506

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    How can they do that with a motion picture originally shot in SD?

    Do they use a computer to define foreground and background items and add parallax for the two-eyed view??
     
  19. RasputinAXP

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    Pretty much, yeah.
     
  20. jadebox

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    There's a brief overview of the process at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_to_3D_conversion

    -- Roger
     

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