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Dish Needs to Get Moving on 3D

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#1 ·
I was just over at the Directv site, and they now have four 3D channels! Dish, zero. Even the stodgy old cable companies have 3D. Comcast has three 3D channels, and Time Warner one channel. Where's Dish?

According to an In-Stat report released yesterday, sales of 3D televisions are up 500% from last year. They also predict that soon all TVs over 40" will have 3D built-in. The prices of 1080p 3D projectors are also coming down. In-Stat predicts that by 2015 300 million households worldwide will have a 3D TV.

Also this month, another research firm, iSuppli, confirms In-Stat's numbers, and predicts 3D TV shipments up 463 percent in 2011, with a total of 23.4 million units shipped. They see 3D TV shipments increasing by 132 percent in 2012, with 54.2 million units shipped. By 2015, iSuppli predicts that over half of all TVs shipped will be 3D.

I've already heard reports from people who moved from Dish to Directv for the 3D content.

When I was at CES, and asked the Dish people about 3D, their response was, "We just don't see the 3D content yet." That's not forward thinking. They are going to be left behind.

Any company in the technology business needs to stay current, or perish.

Michael
 
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#203 ·
l8er said:
In the long run I believe the glasses will kill 3D. My wife and I both wear corrective lenses and 3D glasses of any kind are extremely uncomfortable.
Who knows. As I wrote earlier every non-bottom of the barrel hardware being made is now 3D - TVs, Projectors, HT recievers, Blu-ray players etc etc. Anyone who read about the just concluded CEDIA knows what I'm talking about. Content ofcourse, is still scarce.

The way I look at it - I enjoy 3D (whatever little I've seen). So, I'd like to get as much 3D programming as possible. Infact, if as many doubters here argue, 3D will not survive - I definitely want to watch it before it "goes away".
 
#205 ·
tampa8 said:
You are correct about many TV's that are not bargain basement are being made with 3D. That is a plus for those hoping it survives. Though they made BetaMax after the medium was dead..... :)
One of the reasons I'm optimistic about 3D is that there is no format war (though the glasses are a bit of a mess at the moment). HDMI 1.4a has been formalized and everyone is supporting it in this year's products.

Don't know how many of you frequent AVSForum but, there are threads there where some are even asking is there is anything for 2D at Cedia this year.

If we remember HDTV introduction - people had to pay 3 to 4 times SD to get HDTVs - and yet there was little original programming. Now the 3D hardware is available at almost no premium.
 
#206 ·
evnow said:
Now the 3D hardware is available at almost no premium.
That was a good move by the industry. But from reading articles, many have a 3d set simply because of that, or they got the best set possible which happen to have 3D, but have no interest in 3D. I think the comparison to HD hurts 3D because HD was a vast improvement to watching anything from begining to end. 3D really does not add to a regular program for instance, other than special effects that might be used. In fact, what 3D I have seen, people look a little out of place in relation to the backround. Then there's the problem of many getting headaches or eye strain, and those that just can't see 3D. (I do get eye fatigue, but it takes awhile) It can work, I felt Avatar gained some by being in 3D, but overall maybe it just needs alot more medium for us to decide.

(I do go to Avsforums - same name there)
 
#207 ·
tampa8 said:
That was a good move by the industry. But from reading articles, many have a 3d set simply because of that, or they got the best set possible which happen to have 3D, but have no interest in 3D.
That is how a lot of HD started, though people bought "flat panels", even though more expensive, just because they are flat and thin.

I think the comparison to HD hurts 3D because HD was a vast improvement to watching anything from begining to end. 3D really does not add to a regular program for instance, other than special effects that might be used.
That is how surround sound started.
 
#209 ·
When I went shopping for a new TV the one I choose as being the best possible choice for me just happened to have 3D......Interestingly enough it was a unexpected fun experience for friends and fam. Do I sit around pining for more 3D? Hell no......I do know this, the 3D demise seems to have been greatly over estimated.
Sure 3D TV's are selling for less, everything is...it's buyers market...on everything....except gold and gas.......
 
#210 ·
evnow said:
Ofcourse, those who aren't going to care about ESPN 3D aren't probably going to care about Olympics either.
Apples and oranges.

I watch a lot of ESPNHD and ESPN2HD (would watch ESPNUHD if Dish ever gets it)... I watch a lot of sports... I just don't care that much about 3D sports.

The Olympics, I don't even care about in 2D... so it's a different thing.
 
#211 ·
356B said:
Sure 3D TV's are selling for less, everything is...it's buyers market...on everything....except gold and gas.......
Even gas is selling a lot less to our household, ever since I got my electric car, Leaf ;-)

BTW, last weekend's top grosser ? Yes, a 3D re-issue of a 17 year old movie.

'Lion King' 3-D Makeover Tops Weekend Box-Office With $30.2 Million Sales

"The Lion King" is playing in theaters for two weeks before the release of a 3-D Blu-ray disk on Oct. 4. The film is among several older hits that studios are converting to 3-D for theatrical release, including James Cameron's "Titanic."
 
#212 ·
Lion Kings a classic though, i bet alot of those sells are just people wanting to see that movie on the big screen again regardless of it being 3d or not.

Its not like the fact that it being 3d is generating the sells, its the fact thats its a great movie for all ages. I saw that movie as a child in theaters and loved it, im not passing up on the chance to take my son to see it as well and i bet alot of the other mid 20 year olds like myself feel the same about it.


I dont really think that movie is a good example of why 3d is going to stick around.

Now if we applied the reverse, you know Re-Release a movie with 3D on it how ever instead of it being a classic make it a piece of garbage movie. Lets see how many sells it gets.
And even then that wouldnt be an accurate metric either, since theres people out there that really love the "Its so bad its good" movies lol.
 
#214 ·
High sales of Disney DVD releases is nothing new. They purposely hold back on releasing DVD for many years. Then when they are released again they get huge sales because they have not been available. Same thing for the movies, they like to rerelease them so that there is a new generation of kids that haven't seen it yet.

BTW, reviews of the 3D conversion say it is pretty bad.
 
#215 ·
HobbyTalk said:
High sales of Disney DVD releases is nothing new. They purposely hold back on releasing DVD for many years. Then when they are released again they get huge sales because they have not been available. Same thing for the movies, they like to rerelease them so that there is a new generation of kids that haven't seen it yet.

BTW, reviews of the 3D conversion say it is pretty bad.
+1
 
#216 ·
HobbyTalk said:
High sales of Disney DVD releases is nothing new. They purposely hold back on releasing DVD for many years. Then when they are released again they get huge sales because they have not been available. Same thing for the movies, they like to rerelease them so that there is a new generation of kids that haven't seen it yet.

BTW, reviews of the 3D conversion say it is pretty bad.
But people are choosing the 3D version at a huge ratio. Of the $29.3 million in earning, 3D presentations accounted for 92 percent of the gross. Also, real viewers are happy with the 3D conversion...look on AVS.
 
#218 ·
Well, life is too short to wonder what the masses will do or argue that Dish should lead, not follow the masses.

I just signed up for Directv. So ends my 12 years of Dish service. I've always rooted for the underdog - so hope Dish does well and provides needed competition to Directv.
 
#221 ·
HobbyTalk said:
Just read this in my morning site scan. I am not surprised and totally jazzed about the prospect of a Red projection device to go with their capture gear. And as I have said all along, until the dust settles and there is a (one) set 3D standard out there, that survives the La Brea Tar Pits, 3D is a wash until. Just like all the other media formats there is always a couple to start then everything settles and we end up with the "one". We're too early in the process, but then that's what hype is for. To cheer on your favorite format. To the winner goes the spoils. The "spoils" being us, the consumer.

I have a couple of crews using Red gear and it's amazing for capture, so I would guess that their projection gear will be just as amazing and set the standard. Will wait, can't wait, am drooling at the three installs that I have that this would be perfect for.
 
#223 ·
FarmerBob said:
And as I have said all along, until the dust settles and there is a (one) set 3D standard out there, that survives the La Brea Tar Pits, 3D is a wash until.
There is always something round the corner. HDMI 1.4a based 3D is as good a std we are going to get for sometime.

Display technologies keep improving - there is no known "end state" there.

Having watched a few 3D documentaries, even my usually pro-status quo wife is convinced 3D is totally worth it. Optoma HD3300 - the first 1080p 3D projector - has been a great performer.
 
#224 ·
evnow said:
There is always something round the corner. HDMI 1.4a based 3D is as good a std we are going to get for sometime.

Display technologies keep improving - there is no known "end state" there. . . .
And there will be 1.4b, c, d . . . that will add features to the cabling. And yes, there will be no "end" state. But there needs to be "one beginning" so that there are not a million different types of 3D out there with a million different TVs. Just like Vinyl vs. CD and VHS vs. Betamax. It needs to be brought to one specification where when you buy a "3D TV" you'll know it'll work with the 3D disc player you have or are looking to buy and the discs that it plays without a ton of investigation to make sure it will. Also along the lines of ATSC, QAM & NTSC and PAL and 110-130 Volts 50-60 Hz AC. Standards.
 
#226 ·
jadebox said:
That's what we have now. A Blu-Ray 3D disc will play through HDMI on any 3D TV.

-- Roger
At last count, there are at least four stereoscopic 3D transmission formats currently in wide use, called frame sequential, frame packing, side-by-side, and checkerboard. There are other transmission formats as well . . .

Common 3D display technology for projecting stereoscopic image pairs to the viewer include:

Standardization efforts

The entertainment industry is expected to adopt a common and compatible standard for 3D in home electronics. To present faster frame rate in high definition to avoid judder, enhancing 3-D film, televisions and broadcasting, other unresolved standards are the type of 3D glasses (passive or active), including bandwidth considerations, subtitles, recording format, and a Blu-ray standard.
With improvements in digital technology, in the late 2000s, 3D movies have become more practical to produce and display, putting competitive pressure behind the creation of 3D television standards. There are several techniques for Stereoscopic Video Coding, and stereoscopic distribution formatting including anaglyph, quincunx, and 2D plus Delta. . . .

more at . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_television
 
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