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Dish Network Drops CSN California - Channel Restored 2/3/11

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by forecheck, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. James Long

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    According to Comcast, DISH rejected the "reasonable" cost that was decided via arbitration. It seems "reasonable" remains in the eye of the beholder.
     
  2. logray

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    I suppose you are right, if only we knew the details... however I am still confused.

    "DISH Network has agreed to pay Comcast its requested price per subscriber for CSN California because we want to make this channel available to the customers who value its programming. However, Comcast is demanding that ALL DISH Network customers in the market pay for the channel, even if they don't want " -unnamed news source

    Wouldn't the goverments merger mandate that Comcast provide reasonable prices for it's programming mean that Dish gets what they want? I think what they are saying is that Comcast demands that all nearby dish network customers rates would go up (unreasonable) whether they want the programming or not, versus just those who want the channel and might be willing to pay for their higher rates (reasonable), even through the new development of the merger says the prices must now be reasonable.

    I hope the FCC defined reasonable well.

    I'm angry that this whole debate seems to have taken a back seat to the merger.

    I'm also a NBA League pass subscriber. And the NBA blacks out all of my local NBA team's games via league pass... at least let me watch their away games!!!!!

    :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Perhaps it's time to move to DTV and sign up for NBA league pass there.
     
  3. James Long

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    That sounds like the YES demand to be in AT120 (available to all customers) instead of AT120+ or AT200 (DISH's most popular package) and up.

    The demand didn't work for YES. I believe MSG is hung up on the same thing. I don't know how many of the ~4 million estimated AT120 customers are in CSNCA's market but giving in to Comcast's demand would basically make the minimum package in the CSNCA market AT120+.

    That is just what Comcast wants you to do ... although they would prefer you switch to Comcast instead of DirecTV. As long as you leave DISH, they win.


    There might be more movement on this when the other CSNs come up for renewal (or their extensions end ... CSNCA's contract expired in 2008!). Or perhaps DISH will cave and AT120 will become AT120+ ... the second outcome would be more difficult with the price guarantee starting in a couple of weeks.
     
  4. logray

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    So they are basically requiring other competitors to dictate what packages they have to sell to their customers.

    This is exactly the reason why I don't think the NBC merger is a good thing... too much power already. What's to prevent them from doing the same thing in other markets?

    Comcast even offers "rebates" for those that switch as was brought up earlier in this thread...

    I'm not in a Comcast cable area BTW, and I wouldn't sign up with them if I were.

    Why not just eliminate all competition and everyone signs up with Comcast and have them merge with DTV. That way everyone will be happy with the same programming right? Sarcasm. :nono2:

    I think someone is asleep at the wheel here, whether it's DN, Comcast, or the FCC. Two months without this channel is long enough!
     
  5. levibluewa

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    ...and lets not forget Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia!
     
  6. logray

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    That's what I'm saying. Look at the crap they pull, whatever they can "get away with" right? Doesn't sound fair to me, not to turn this into a Comcast bashing thread or anything...

    "On January 20, 2010, the FCC voted 4-1 to close the terrestrial loophole.[2] Lawyers for DirecTV and Dish Network had attempted to show that Comcast Corporation, who owns both CSN Philadelphia along with most of the cable systems in the Philadelphia market, acted in restraint of trade because it did not uplink CSN Philadelphia to satellite. Comcast does not plan to appeal the decision, so DirecTV and Dish can negotiate immediately to add the channel to their lineups. Both providers formally asked for access to the channel on June 25, 2010. [3] On July 28, 2010, it was reported that Comcast is in talks with DirecTV and Dish Network for carriage of CSN Philadelphia. [4] Two days later, after accusing Comcast of refusing to negotiate in good faith, Dish Network said it will file a complaint with the FCC" --wikipedia
     
  7. outriderx

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    Anyone know what happened to this website? I registered and got a confirmation email on how to get my $150, but it's curious that the website is no longer there!

    Not sure if they received an overwhelming response and shut it down OR they were ordered to shut it down??? In any case I'll be submitting mine and hopefully will still see some $$. Also got the $180 from Costco, 15+ years with DISH and now I'm DONE. GO SHARKS! GO A'S! GO GIANTS!
     
  8. phrelin

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    The conditions Comcast is facing on their NBCU acquisition approval require arbitration in disputes with satellite/cable carriers for Comcast's RSN's. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out because of a particular focus in the Order on areas where Comcast dominates the region's cable service, like the Bay Area.
     
  9. James Long

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    Rewind to the first post in this thread ...
    Arbitration occurred ... what will the NBC/Comcast merger do? Force DISH to accept the arbitrated terms?
     
  10. phrelin

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    I really don't know whether the arbitration completed was under the same rules just put in place.

    If the statement Dish made is true that "Comcast is demanding that ALL DISH Network customers in the market pay for the channel" and the arbitrator agreed with that, then there may be wiggle room within the new bundling choice provision.

    In new arbitration under the new rules, Dish may be able to demand that Comcast's last offer include a price for the RSN a la carte which Dish can counter in its last offer.

    The language in the MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER to me is confusing, but what I call the "observational remarks" (I call them this because they seem to be more than just factual findings - they come with subjective opinions) would seem to give Dish room to argue that some price other than an "all subscriber" price could be required to be included in the last offer.

    I really don't know. Just thinking out loud. But Comcast does dominate the Bay Area cable business. And the FCC in the MOO ( :sure: )was very concerned about them dealing unreasonably with satellite companies in such an area.
     
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    If they think for one moment they can force Charlie Ergen to pay for something he does not want to?. "They don't know him very well,do they"!!.:eek2::rolleyes:;)
     
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  13. logray

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    The Sacramento Kings game managed to air last night for about 15 minutes on NBATV before they blacked it out. :mad:
     
  14. Feb 2, 2011 #114 of 128
    bigj7489

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    Perhaps one of the Dish team here can give an update on this - I've been a Dish guy for years and wouldn't ordinarily dream of switching, but baseball season's getting close and if I don't have the A's, I'll have to do something. Is this deal going to get done, ever? I've been hammering both sides hard with emails and calls. All Dish seems to be interested in doing is dropping my bill $10 each time.
     
  15. Feb 2, 2011 #115 of 128
    logray

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    I too would like to see an update from Dish Internet Response Team.

    After numerous calls/emails/chats to Dish we are getting the same runaround and credits that probably anyone else who is complaining is receiving. It doesn't make up for the fact that we can't watch what we want to watch.

    We are starting to talk about switching to DTV.
     
  16. Feb 2, 2011 #116 of 128
    levibluewa

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    to the status of talks if any regarding ComcastSportsNet Philadelphia. ....oh, and channels 4891-4898...any news about those channels?
     
  17. Feb 2, 2011 #117 of 128
    James Long

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    Please guys, DISHIRT ... don't call people "DIRT".
     
  18. Feb 3, 2011 #118 of 128
    James Long

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    Channels Now Available
    409 CSNCA CSN California 110° TP 16 SD Hidden - AVAILABLE
    409 CSNCA CSN California 72.7° TP 9 SD MPEG4 Hidden - AVAILABLE
    5409 CSNCA (409 HD PartTime) CSN California 129° TP 25 HD Hidden - AVAILABLE
     
  19. Feb 3, 2011 #119 of 128
    logray

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    James (and Dish), you are the man.

    And I can confirm the channel is now viewable.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2011 #120 of 128
    James Long

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    I'm just the bearer of good news ... which is what I'd rather be that the bearer of bad news. :)
     

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