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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Satelliteracer, Dec 19, 2012.
Showtime has way less HD channels than HBO & STARZ combind for the same price. Their movies suck.
I'm not "defending" it... just attempting to explain it... and to be fair, the old argument of "raising prices didn't give me new channels" doesn't really wash anyway.
Lots of things go up in price without added value. Gasoline has gone up in price, yet my car still uses the same amount... grocery prices go up and sometimes the ounces in the package go down at the same time!
So yeah, it would be nice to pay more and get more... I think we all agree on that! But it isn't a realistic expectation no matter what the product.
Also the reverse is NEVER asked for by consumers... by which I mean...
When Dish adds some new channels, they typically do not immediately increase the package prices. IF the argument is "they raised the price, where are my extra channels" then the counter to that is "they added some new channels where is my price increase"...
And I personally don't want to encourage that correlation so that Dish does increase cost immediately whenever they add a new channel to the lineup.
Showtime only has one movie studio deal. They are about original programming. Dexter, Weeds, Homeland, etc.
As far as HD channels, pretty close to the same. Remember Movie Channel is part of Showtime as is FLIX.
I know. Happy New Year sir.
Check out the Directv thread, they just published similar prices increases.
Cable and SAT are both getting them this year as the channels raised there prices.
Ya. A $700M loss to Voom.
I hear you. Pay TV is getting to expensive considering what you get anymore - repeat programing & "reality" TV.
Would still be cheaper than pay TV - hundreds per year compared to hundreds per month.
In the last 2 years, Dish has payed out $1.2B to TiVo & Voom. I find it hard to believe that price increases has anything [or very little] to do with programming costs.
Ok, I'll play... IF the only reason for Dish increasing is lawsuits... then why, pray tell, is DirecTV who didn't lose any lawsuits raising fees too?
(Hint: Answer is that your speculation is incorrect)
Charlie has the attention span of a 2-year-old with all of his toys out of his toy box.
What I said was I find it hard to believe that price increases has anything [or very little] to do with programming costs. The lawsuits are not the ONLY reason.
Why, pray tell, would Dish be the only corporation that does not pass its losses onto the consumer? Or is it that you honestly believe the AEP programming costs [ALONE] have actually increased $180/year/subscriber?
The price increases are not specific to the channels in each programming package.
AEP was underpriced (fighting to stay at then near the $100 price poing) ... this increase puts AEP at the same price DirecTV charged for Premier this year - until DirecTV raises the price of Premier by $5 in February (plus an additional $2 RSN fee in markets with multiple RSNs). Package prices are set where the market will bear.
AT120+ is a bad package to pick on if you are blaming lawsuits for specific price increases. There is nothing lawsuit related in AT120+ and the packages on both sides are going up only $5. What AT120+ does reflect is the never ending price increases demanded by RSNs (note again DirecTV's new $2 extra fee for multiple RSN markets). And while I do not believe RSNs represent $10 of the $15 price difference between AT120 and AT200, DISH has moved the price point to where they believe people will pay what is asked ... or pay $5 more and get DISH's most popular package, AT200.
A little extra in 2011 plus a little extra in 2013 and no price increase for 2012. Look at the big picture not the headline ... and also look at the credits DISH is providing for the two hardest hit packages, AT120+ and AEP. It is not as bad as it seems.
So that suggests that programming costs for all channels have risen and the increase only reflects the price necessary to offset that increase?
Then it has nothing to do with programming Costs, but the price at which DTV charges for a similar packages.
AMC is, and the AT120+ went up $10.
I am, which is why I can see a 700M loss in 2012 as one reason for price increases.
The cost increase of RSNs dwarfs the cost increase of AMC.
To oversimplify it, yes. Programming is not the only cost that DISH pays out, but it is a major portion of the bills DISH pays.
No ... but the price the market will bear is important. DISH sells itself as the low(er) price carrier. They need to stay at a lower price than their major competitors.
AMC is in AT120 and AT120 only went up $5. Don't gloss over the facts.
In the first three quarters of 2012 DISH is up (profitable) by $428 million. If they equal the worst fourth quarter since 2005 they will still post a profit of over $580 million for the year. Sure, they have had better years ... $608 million in 2006, $636 million in 2009, $756 million in 2007, $903 million in 2008, $985 million in 2010 ... I do not expect 4Q 2012 to be enough to beat 2011, but 2011 was not a typical year. It was the most profitable year in DISH history. 2012 will turn out fine. Another profitable year.
The big picture is more than one year.
Imagine how much they saved by not paying for Voom for all those years though
It evens out pretty close to what they ended up paying Rainbow over all in the end, I agree with the TiVo point but I definitely have to disagree with the Rainbow part, imo Dish came out on top of that battle.
Got the channels back, paid a little over what they saved in the long run and also got all of that extra spectrum.
It is incorrect to post the Rainbow/Voom settlement as a loss. Dish received valuable mobile frequency spectrum from Rainbow for that $700M. Now that is an investment that has yet to pay any dividends, but it isn't a loss anymore than a company buying 10,000 new computers for their data center is a loss.
I think your complaints are somewhat ill-founded. DirecTV announced similar price increases and also announced that their programming costs are rising higher than their price increase. Dish remains cheaper than DirecTV. Of course, all DirecTV customers are paying every month for NFL Sunday Ticket exclusivity costs...
Don't know what all the excitement is with AEP. My $150 bill with AEP and Hoppers and Joeys will go up a bit over 3% in February. That's after dropping when I converted from 722/622/211. 18 months is a long way off.
Dish should just make the RSNs an add on for any package.
Makes me wonder if I should keep the 200 plan at the current rate rather than dropping to the 120 to save money.
Still didn't get any input as to why the showtime channel line up is different for Dish and Direct, while the price is the same. Isn't a "premium" line up standard?
The same could be said for Cinemax.