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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Oct 19, 2010.
And it will not end in 2010 and well beyond that
Just find a provider who carries your channels.
Getting down to the wire. It'll be interesting to see who blinks first, or if anybody does, and of course, how much it will cost us as customers.
I'm still not entirely convinced Rupert will risk pulling the O&O and/or managed Fox broadcast network affiliates on November 1.
According to the available statistics, about 70% of the "TV homes" in NYC and Philadelphia have had their Fox channel pulled from cable by its owner News Corp. As November 1 comes around, another 600,000± homes (or 1.5± million viewers) may lose their Fox channel if News Corp pulls it off of Dish Network.
I know that among those who can't or choose not to get the channel OTA some will go to Fios and others to DirecTV. But many won't.
While viewers in the Cablevision region are already screaming, the impact of News Corp pulling Fox off of Dish stretches across the nation to 27 DMA. Dallas, TX for instance may "become the first top-10 market where satellite households pass cable homes. In 2009, cable was at 45% of pay-TV homes, but satellite came in at 41%."
Assuming that Dish only has a fourth of the Dallas-Ft. Worth DMA satellite subscribers, that's 10% of 2.6 million homes or 260,000 homes with 650,000± viewers.
Since this involves the 5th Game of the World Series right before election day, whatever political good will News Corp has purchased will be exhausted rapidly if 1% of those viewers gets angry enough to contact their Congressional representatives. By simply waiting two weeks to November 15, News Corp could reduce the political damage.
I know it's Rupert Murdoch whose arrogance matches the two Charlie's but up to now his political savvy has been reasonably good.
I'm not jumping ship. Fox is the one that's being unreasonable with their price increase. Hope Charlie holds out.
Just like Dish not having the YES Network and losing ESPNews HD and never having ESPNU HD is only temporary.
Don't throw your money away, get out while you still can and switch to the better satellite provider, or you can go down with the ship as Charlie is apparently going to do. You'll all be D* customers within a few years at this rate.
Life is only temporary ... I'm not sure which provider offers what services in the afterlife.
This isn't about YES, a cable channel that made carriage demands that no other regional sports channel has been granted on DISH. This isn't about HD versions of channels (such as the 20-30 general entertainment and movie HD channels that DISH carrys that the other satellite provider has not agreed to carry).
This is about Fox's channels ... cable channels that have been off for just over three weeks and OTAs that will likely get pulled November 1st. There is a difference.
The last dispute like this one (DISH vs Fox) was six years ago (Viacom) and it ended after two days of the CBS O&O stations being off DISH Network.
I don't know how much like Rupert Murdoch Viacom owner Sumner Redstone was/is. After all Redstone is way down the Forbes Billionaire List to #400.:sure:
And we didn't yet have the level of demands regarding retrans fees for broadcast networks that we do today. To some degree the broadcast stations weren't as financially pushed.
And finally, Redstone wasn't looking across two tables at billionaires named Charles.
On the other hand, my CBS station is an O&O so anyone know how long that contract was good for?
Isn't there a christian satellite provider? I can't remember their name. I'm sure they are already working on it. if Dish and DirecTV think carriage agreements are difficult to negotiate...try doing it via prayer!
SkyAngel left satellite a few years ago, selling their licenses to DISH and continuing subscription services via IPTV. GloryStar remains as a free-to-air satellite system. They might be able to work out a deal for Heaven. For hell there's always Time Warner and Comcast.
I have no interest in those and don't feel I should have to pay higher rates to subsidize those that do. Make those channels an optional subscription along with Fox and drop the base package rates. It's really going to have to come down to a sports package and non-sports package solution at some point.
Dish will suffer bigger losses if they kowtow to Fox's outrageous demands and have to raise rates. I can only barely afford it now. A significant rate increase will make me have to drop out.
I'd like to agree with you that "E" will suffer bigger loses if it kowtows to FOX's demands, but I'm not so sure. If we get halfway through November and no contract is in sight you may see the current fence sitters finally give up and jump ship. There are some pretty lucrative incentives being offered right now. Like $39 for the first year with a free HDVDR and a free Wii.
I am already pricing DirecTV with 2 DVRs, HD, etc ... Been with Dish about 4 years now.
I don't care who's asking for what. I just want all the TV channels that I want. And I don't care if I have to pay a little more for them either. I want the channels that I want, it's that simple.
You dont know that. You suspect that like the rest of us but we dont really know.
Then congrats, you are doing exactly what FOX wants you to do, including paying more for their crap.
So what are your plans when the rates increase again in Feb. like they have the last few years? The increase is coming one way or another. How do you think us D* customers felt when we paid another rate increase but lost VS? I was disappointed in losing VS but would be really upset about losing FOX. I would probably just get a large antenna and call it good though. It will take a lot for me to leave D*. Then again if they were like E* (crappy sports coverage & in channel disputes all the time ) I would drop them like a bad habbit tomorrow.
All of you siding with Fox, I say the following. Be prepared to pay four dollars a month, at the very least, for CBS, NBC, ABC and Univision, as each comes up for renewal. UVN has at times beat the other major networks in the 18-49 demo, and, given the growth of the Hispanic audience, will do so regularly within a couple of years.
My point is that Fox will become the benchmark, and that all the other major OTA broadcasters will demand at least as much as Fox is getting. And even in arbitration, UVN will get as much as Fox.
So, if you're comfortable with your monthly bill increasing 8% or so a year when the median CPI is increasing 0.5% annually, support Fox.
Here is what some need to do...
Enjoy your programming
Get a rate increase
Complain about the rate increase and demand some form of intervention
Enjoy your programming
repeat ad nauseum
All I can tell everyone is to keep on complaining and subscribing. It's worked so far!
Are you saying that FX, NatGeo, FoxSports and Fox O&O (if removed) will NEVER return to DISH? That would be a bold statement.
The last issue with a major O&O was six years ago. The channels returned two days after the O&Os were removed. This issue is at best the same as the problem with CBS/Viacom. Major channels removed come back.