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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Oct 5, 2010 #661 of 2032
    weirdude2304

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    FSN Pittsburgh is one of several RSNs that DirecTV bought out a year or two ago.



    * DIRECTV Sports Networks
    * FSN Northwest
    * FSN Pittsburgh
    * FSN Rocky Mountain
     
  2. Oct 5, 2010 #662 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    Other way around. Fox is the villan here.
     
  3. Oct 5, 2010 #663 of 2032
    phrelin

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    Unless, of course, the Fox channels disappear off Cablevision in New York City and Philadelphia at the same time over the same issue - a price increase. At that point, the PR badness would clearly and permanently accrue to Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.
     
  4. Oct 5, 2010 #664 of 2032
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    No matter if they are the villain or not, it will be Dish that will suffer more in the PR department. Customers pay Dish directly, they do not pay Fox directly. Plus, Dish represents only a very very small percentage of all paying TV subs. Therefor all others subs are not affected and do not care. Most of those concerned are the Dish subs paying for TV. When they see a channel not on Dish but yet still on other providers, they get upset at Dish, not the company supplying said channels
     
  5. Oct 5, 2010 #665 of 2032
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    Yep

    If it were to occur on multiple providers at the same time or one after another, then Fox would look more like the bad guy. Since it is Dish that is having disputes with 3 companies (Disney, Fox, MSG) at the same time currently, it is Dish that is viewed as more of the bad guy by most people (even if they do not deserve it)
     
  6. Oct 5, 2010 #666 of 2032
    kariato

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    People keep forgetting the Times (UK) pay-wall fiasco. Rupert Murdoch put a subscription pay-wall around on leading UK and its been a total failure on almost epic proportions. He keeps trying to increase revenue but his greed may get the better of him. Remember there is no love lost between Dish and NewsCorp over the failed direct tv takeover and even further back. Seems like both sides are digging in.
     
  7. Oct 5, 2010 #667 of 2032
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    Is this still true? From wikipedia:

    "In 2003, a merger with EchoStar, owner of Dish Network, fell through. On December 22, 2003, General Motors sold controlling interest in Hughes Electronics to News Corporation, forming the DirecTV Group. Certain conditions exist, however, in that News Corp must solve disputes with companies that carry its broadcast and cable channels. The corporation must treat all stations equally, not favor the Fox Network and FX.[9]

    The arbitration was to alleviate concerns that Fox would pull its network programming, which includes professional baseball and football, off cable systems to encourage viewers to subscribe to DirecTV.

    News Corp. agreed not to pull either the network programming or its regional sports networks while a dispute was being arbitrated."

    Then I see this:

    "In November 2006, News Corporation announced its intention to transfer its managing interest in The DirecTV Group to John Malone's Liberty Media; in return it bought back Liberty's shares in News Corp., giving the Murdoch family tighter control of the latter firm. On February 29, 2008, after receiving FCC approval, Liberty completed its acquisition of News Corporation's shares of DirecTV. "

    So even though Murdoch may not own DirecTV now, he still must have some type of stake in it. Seems like he got around any conflict of interest by sellling out to Liberty.

    Murdoch really is something. You know that he considered any PR ramifications ahead of time. He knows that the uninformed public will blame Dish, not Fox, and will jump ship to DirecTV or some other provider. No matter who is really to blame for this. He's a brilliant man.

    I get locals OTA so I wouldn't care if Dish lost all Fox stations. That is, if Dish gave me a price cut in turn. I see what's going on here and really don't care to pad the pockets of the likes of Murdoch. I hope that Charlie stands firm and does his best to educate the public. But I have a feeling that it would end badly for him.

    10/16 should be interesting.
     
  8. Oct 5, 2010 #668 of 2032
    kariato

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    Agreed RM is a very skilled man and not to be underestimated. Does this still take effect after DirectTv was sold by NewsCorp to Liberty Media.
     
  9. Oct 5, 2010 #669 of 2032
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    The worst part is that there is no updates anywhere on this. Fox can say whatever, Dish can say whatever, and nobody knows when they get their channels back.

    Day one of NBA preseason tonight. I'm sure many will find out for the first time. Get this done Dish and Fox!!
     
  10. Oct 5, 2010 #670 of 2032
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    My local Fox station is advertising that Dish Network subscribers will lose the station as provided by Dish November 1. It goes on to list Direc-TV and cable providers that will have it and posts a phone number and web site for more info.
     
  11. Oct 5, 2010 #671 of 2032
    James Long

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    At this point the Fox says/DISH says is the only update to expect. When a deal is cut the channels will be back before any announcement. They don't sign a deal then wait to return channels.

    Do you get CSN Chicago? Looks good at halftime ... for the Bulls.
     
  12. Oct 5, 2010 #672 of 2032
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    Don't you mean "if a deal is cut"? I've come to expect the worst at this point because that is how my luck rolls. It would be awesome to get the addition of losing Packer games on top of this as well.

    Why would I get CSN Chicago in the Madison, WI market?
     
  13. Oct 5, 2010 #673 of 2032
    James Long

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    It is not all about you. The worst would be if you went back to DirecTV, ate $220 of the $420 ETF ($200 rebated by DirecTV, maybe) and a deal was signed the day after you were back at DirecTV.

    Major channels come back. There is no "if" there is just a "when". As previously stated my expectation is early November if this week passes without resolution. It is just the ebb and flow of such things. Last minute deals - or a couple days off - or the next major event - or a long battle. At some point a deal WILL be made.


    I get it in the South Bend Market ... and you might get it on 9669 if the game isn't blacked out in your area.
     
  14. Oct 5, 2010 #674 of 2032
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    Is our local fox channels affected or just the sports regional and fx
     
  15. Oct 5, 2010 #675 of 2032
    James Long

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    Today: Just sveral local FoxSports, FX and NatGeo
    Nov 1st: O&O Fox TV stations (a list was posted earlier in the thread).

    If your local Fox isn't owned by Fox (just an affiliate) it will not be lost.
     
  16. Oct 5, 2010 #676 of 2032
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    Well, it looks like I've chosen a heck of a time to consider coming back to Dish!:lol:

    At any rate, I can live without FoxSports for a while, especially given what's happened to UT (Texas) Football this year.:ramblinon But can I assume that if I have either a 722/612 or 612/612 combo WITH the internal off-air tuner, that I will still be able to get my local channels off air? I would THINK that any retransmission shutoff would affect only the sat-delivered signals, and NOT what the receivers would pick up off air.
     
  17. Oct 6, 2010 #677 of 2032
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    This dispute will hurt a bit, but Nov. 1st is certainly the date to watch. The primary Fox network yields more power and visibility than these others. These are the types of disputes that can really set the market for other negotiations.
     
  18. Oct 6, 2010 #678 of 2032
    James Long

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    Correct. OTA reception of a local Fox will not be stopped.
     
  19. Oct 6, 2010 #679 of 2032
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    So only those owned stations and it affects only those who cannot get OTA.

    And if Cablevision loses the Fox stations in New York and Philadelphia, what percentage could buy a decent set top antenna and get the channel? These are fairly densely packed urban areas.

    I wonder how many customers we're talking about here? And I wonder how the Nielsen folks will handle the ratings for Fox?
     
  20. Oct 6, 2010 #680 of 2032
    RasputinAXP

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    Well, Fox 29 in Philly is pretty easy to pick up since it's on UHF 42. If it were ABC VHF-6, we'd be up a creek.
     
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