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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Oct 8, 2010 #961 of 2032
    Slamminc11

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    yeah, because the only channels Dish subs watch and the only channels that carry any shows at all are FX, Nat Geo, and RSN's. Since those are gone, there is absolutely nothing on...:rolleyes:
     
  2. Oct 9, 2010 #962 of 2032
    calgary2800

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    Wait till the NBA kicks in and the NFL season heats up, Dish customer service reps better stock up on Advil. I just checked my guide, no Seahawks vs Bears on Fox this Sunday. Man, oh man and I just got a 65 plasma too.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2010 #963 of 2032
    mnassour

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    OK...so does Charlie need Fox more than Fox needs Charlie?
     
  4. Oct 9, 2010 #964 of 2032
    HDlover

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    No, Fox has to have big money to pay pro sports, not Charlie.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2010 #965 of 2032
    HDlover

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    Do you think you might enjoy watching something other than sports on that TV?
     
  6. Oct 9, 2010 #966 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    Well, then you can watch a good movie or one of the other hundreds of programs on various channels, or maybe just go outside and get some fresh air or spend time with the family, or ................
     
  7. Oct 9, 2010 #967 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    Some random thoughts to ponder.

    This forum is not representative of the average sub. I'd wager many typical Dish subs don't yet know there even is a dispute! Heck, a couple of people in here didn't notice their FX had been replaced with Folger's crystals (HD Net) at first...

    As for sports... the truly die-hard sports fans are already with DirecTV. Customers that chose Dish did so to save money or for channels Dish has that DirecTV doesn't. Dish doesn't have full-time HD RSNs, while DirecTV does. DirecTV also has a number of SD RSNs that Dish doesn't. So anyone with Dish didn't have sports as their top priority.

    So while I love me some me (and some sports)... IF the RSNs were a deal-breaker, then I'd already have been with DirecTV.

    Don't expect much churn related to that.

    IF FX and National Geographic are going to create churn, there sure hasn't been any noise about it. Any national news splash about a rash of complaints yet?

    Now... IF the FOX-owned locals drop... that will create some more complaints. Lots of FOX primetime fans and some NFL fans will be more vocal about that.

    I agree locals will cause a bit more of a stink, but only in those affected markets... so do we know if Dish has a big number of subscribers in those markets?

    Also... it is really tacky of FOX to hold locals hostage over FX, NatGeo, and RSNs... Clearly two completely different contracts (really should be at least 3 different contracts, but I digress). IF FOX is willing to throw away all that revenue and advertising dollars while negotiating... it tends to indicate they have money to throw away! And that undermines their argument that they "need" more money.

    The smart thing to do from a business point of view would be...

    FOX agrees to continue to provide feeds of all channels currently under contract to Dish during negotiations. Dish would not automatically get any newly launched channels (if there were any) until a new agreement is signed.

    Dish agrees to keep paying the old rate while the new contract is being discussed... and agrees that once a new agreement is reached, it will be retroactive to the point when the original contract expired and pay the new rate back-dated to that point.

    This would be a win-win for both... Dish keeps channels while negotiating... FOX keeps getting money while negotiating... and on we go.

    The only reason to yank channels (FOX chose to do this remember, not Dish) is to try and get customers to pressure Dish and help you do your job at marketing. FOX should do their own job OR pay all the Dish customers a sales-commission fee on the contract that gets signed if we pressure Dish into a new one.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2010 #968 of 2032
    calgary2800

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    No
     
  9. Oct 9, 2010 #969 of 2032
    calgary2800

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    Also No. Please no sermons on life, OK. :D
     
  10. Oct 9, 2010 #970 of 2032
    calgary2800

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    Stewart,

    Dish will not carry Fox while heated or not heated discussions are under way. In my area a whole prime season of ABC was thrown out the door while Charlie refused to come to the table with Fisher Broadcasting, they both lost money in the game of chicken. And I tend to think Fisher caved in at the end. And meantime Dish subscribers had to endure a season of Lost not in HD but be forced to watch in online where half the enjoyment is gone.
     
  11. Oct 9, 2010 #971 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. Oct 9, 2010 #972 of 2032
    Amon37

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    If they remove local fox and MyTV I will leave, I've heard enough from my wife about Sons of Anarchy and if she loses the shows she watches regularly on the other 2 channels it'll be war..lol I've already begun pricing cable and D*
     
  13. Oct 9, 2010 #973 of 2032
    James Long

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    Any money Fox loses now will just be made up when they get the contract from DISH ... and that is really a shame. Fox has a monopoly on a product ... they can withhold their product for a million dollars per sub if they wish, and sell it to a competitor at any price they want ... DirecTV could be paying 10c per sub for each channel while Fox demands a million per sub from DISH. Who knows? There is no meaningful regulation on the matter.

    And no, this isn't an invitation for all the know it alls on the forum to say Fox is asking DISH for the same price as DirecTV and every other provider. You don't know that. The few who would have access to DirecTV's contracts would not have access to DISH's and couldn't reveal details without losing their jobs. So don't lie and say you know what you don't know.

    I am talking about the law here ... there are regulations in place that allege to prevent such situations as the one between Fox and DISH where the monopoly owner can legally demand any payment they wish ... but those regulations are not helping. The FCC has shirked it's duty in these matters and will only intervene to protect (guess who?) the broadcaster ... Fox in this case.

    So DISH holds out ... waiting for a miracle. Wanting the best deal possible so they don't have to roll over and play dead every time a programmer comes up with a list of demands. Are they are paying for that good deal by losing a few customers? Probably. I hope it ends up being worth it.

    Years ago, before DBS, laws were put in to place to protect broadcast stations from being taken advantage of by their then monopoly cable providers. Now those laws are being used by monopoly broadcast stations to take advantage of cable and satellite providers, playing one against the other and instead of working WITH a provider to extend their reach they work against the provider - trying to squeeze every dollar out of them as the can.

    And yes, we're caught in the middle. Personally I choose NOT to be a pawn for Fox. I will not change providers just to get their programming. I see no reason to let a multi-billion dollar bully tell me what to do. I picked my satellite carrier ... and I'm sticking with them.
     
  14. Oct 9, 2010 #974 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    Antenna.
     
  15. Oct 9, 2010 #975 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    That's kind of where I am. IF I were to leave Dish for DirecTV or cable over a channel or two in dispute... that would be vote that I'm more in favor of raising prices for that channel than staying with a company that otherwise has done right by me.

    My father had a couple of really bad experiences with DirecTV and their equipment, so I have no desire to go there... I've also experienced the lovely service of Time Warner cable in the past, so really wouldn't want to go that route either.

    I picked Dish in part because of the known "evils" of the others... way back in 2002... and I've generally been very happy with the choice that I made. Sometimes I didn't get HD as soon as the others... sometimes I got HD first... a few channels that I liked are gone... a few others that I was "meh" about are also gone.

    But if I switched providers just over those things... I'd be switching all the time, and that gets old fast. I'd rather ride it out unless and until Dish drops a whole bunch of channels that I watch.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2010 #976 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    I can guarantee I would NOT go to Direct. I've gotten way too much junk mail in my USPS mailbox from them and I do not reward that behavior.

    I may have to go OTA only for other reasons soon though unrelated to this dispute. I need to look into FTA again also if there's anything worth watching that way. Otherwise, I can get desired programs on DVD for a few $$$ per season from Amazon.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2010 #977 of 2032
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    For some of us however it is not as cut-and-dry.

    In my case it was a 'coming-to-conclusion' event. Dish is not the major sports player and I don't think they want that position. Gladly they want to be the low cost provider with great movie and entertainment options.

    Once we had our moment of clarity then we had to decide if we wanted a sports based solution or one that provided 'other entertainment'. Since my wife is a huge sports fan we, in the end decided to go the sports route.

    It really was not about FOX in our case. It was about MLB, FOX and sports options in general that caused the change to DirecTV for us.



     
  18. Oct 9, 2010 #978 of 2032
    dakeeney

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    :D I'm not going anywhere either. I'm with Dish!
     
  19. Oct 9, 2010 #979 of 2032
    BenJF3

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    Nowadays it doesn't really who your provider is, you can just about be assured that there will be a public posturing display over negotiations when contracts are up.
     
  20. Oct 9, 2010 #980 of 2032
    klang

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    Been that way for a few days now in this thread. Do Dish subs do this to the Directtv forums?
     
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