1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Sep 29, 2010 #121 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,575
    373
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    You're kidding, right?

    You don't "feel bad" for multi-million dollar companies but you sure seem to be picking one multi-million (FOX in this case) to feel sorry for!

    You do know that any price increase due to FOX or other channel providers asking for more will just be passed on directly to you by Dish... so while Dish might increase prices for other reasons, there is 100% chance they will increase due to a channel increase.

    I watch lots of sports, and I would miss channels if they go away... but I also don't want to keep paying more and more especially these days when I can afford less and less.

    I like that Dish tries sometimes to stand up and keep the cost of the channels down. Whereas you seem to be cheering for the inevitable price increase to follow.:confused:
     
  2. Sep 29, 2010 #122 of 2032
    MilFan

    MilFan Legend

    126
    0
    Sep 13, 2010
    Where did I say I felt bad for Fox? I said I expect Dish Network to get this done for their customer's sake. Don't give me the price thing, Dish Network is ROLLING in money.

    You're acting like Dish Network is some sort of victim here. Would you mind telling me how much the company is worth, and how much profit they made last year? Exactly. Do you think people that are already paying a pretty hefty price to watch TV care about Dish Network's "financial issues"? If so, you need a wake up call to what is going on around this country.

    All I care about is that I get the channels I signed up for. Otherwise, the company should READILY expect backlash and anger and people asking them for lower rates. But I'm guessing you'll come back with some crap like "but it's in your contract they can remove channels at any time".
     
  3. Sep 29, 2010 #123 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,305
    913
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    What you're missing is the irony that Fox is also a company worth millions who made a tidy profit last year.

    Stewart's point is that all you are doing is choosing the millionaire you're supporting.

    How about directing some of that anger about higher prices toward Fox for wanting to raise their prices?
     
  4. Sep 29, 2010 #124 of 2032
    MilFan

    MilFan Legend

    126
    0
    Sep 13, 2010
    I never said Fox was innocent in this, nor do I support them or feel sorry for them. I expect my TV carrier that is rolling in money to honor the packages their customers signed up for, and do what needs to be done in negotiations to accomplish that. They sure as hell aren't going to lower my rate for removing programming.
     
  5. Sep 29, 2010 #125 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,305
    913
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Once you find a carrier "rolling in money" let us know. Marginally profitable would be more accurate.
     
  6. Sep 29, 2010 #126 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,305
    913
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    At the end of 2009 DISH was worth -$2,092,171,000 ... yes, negative two billion. Rolling in debt.

    DISH made $635.545 million net profit on 14.1 million subscribers for the year. Or $45 net profit on an average $840.48 annual bill, per subscriber. In 2008 DISH made $66 net profit per subscriber ... so they are made 32% LESS in 2009 than 2008, per subscriber. The average customer bill went up 1.1% between 2008 and 2009.

    DISH's closest competition, DirecTV, made $129.85 per subscriber net profit and are worth +$2.911 million. Their average bill for 2009 was $1025.76 annually, which is a 1.8% increase from 2008. Their profit went up 3.4%. Not exactly returning their profits to subscribers. If you want to support a company that makes nearly three times more profit per customer while having a net worth of $5 billion more I suggest you switch immediately.

    As for me, I'll continue to support DISH with my subscription dollars. They at least seem to be trying not to succeed at my expense.
     
  7. Sep 29, 2010 #127 of 2032
    MilFan

    MilFan Legend

    126
    0
    Sep 13, 2010
    If a yearly profit of $636 million in 2009 is what you'd define as "marginally profitable", I'd love to see your definition of "very profitable".
     
  8. Sep 29, 2010 #128 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,575
    373
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    James is making my point better than I was!

    I hate these disputes too... and if Dish was demanding a price cut, then I'd be more critical of them probably... but in this case IF it is FOX asking for more money for the same channels in a bad economy, then I'll side with Dish trying to stand their ground and not take a pay increase.

    I'm not crying for Dish... but recognizing that IF Dish capitulates, then it directly translates into an increase in my bill... and that I might cry over!

    This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. When one multi-million dollar company raises prices on another multi-million dollar company, then you and I pay that cost in our monthly bills.
     
  9. Sep 29, 2010 #129 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,575
    373
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    $636 million is nothing to sneeze at... but divided over 14 million subscribers it isn't such a great thing either... so it wouldn't be accurate to say Dish Network is rolling in dough right now.
     
  10. Sep 29, 2010 #130 of 2032
    swallman

    swallman AllStar

    104
    0
    Nov 18, 2004
    Just spent some time reading the comments over on the GetWhatIPaidFor website - the problem that Dish really has with this is that the majority of the general public think it is entirely Dish's fault (even though Fox is probably trying to play hardball on pricing). It puts Dish into a really bad place from a customer service POV. Consumers just want their programming and don't understand why they will no longer receive it.
     
  11. Sep 29, 2010 #131 of 2032
    swallman

    swallman AllStar

    104
    0
    Nov 18, 2004
    That comment really doesn't make much sense - who cares how many subs it took to get to that amount - 14 million or 100 million. Yes, the amount per sub seems low, but that is a nice amount of money.

    Wal-Mart has gotten by for years on making a small amount of money (due to low margins) from a large amount of customers.
     
  12. Sep 29, 2010 #132 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,305
    913
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    $45 per customer per year where the competition made $130 per customer in the same year. Yes, having millions of customers helps turn less than $4 per month in to real money but channel providers who want to take all of the profits for themselves doesn't help.

    Then again DirecTV with their positive net worth and $10+ per month per subscriber net profit can't seem to shake loose the cash to commit to the new HD their customers are demanding. I don't see why DISH should cave to every demand. Not unless the customers are willing to pay.
     
  13. Sep 29, 2010 #133 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,575
    373
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Well... if I could make a $1 profit per sale and sell 1 million items then I'd have a million dollars! But that would take a long time... and it'd be hard to run the day to day operations on such a slim profit margin per sale.

    That $45 per subscriber profit would be gone in a hurry if Dish caved for every channel that wanted to charge more... and then Dish would go out of business... and nobody would cry about it, but then you'd be left with less options.

    I wish ALL the providers would fight harder to keep prices from going up so much.
     
  14. Sep 29, 2010 #134 of 2032
    olguy

    olguy Hall Of Fame

    1,234
    0
    Jan 9, 2006
    Yes, Fox is playing hardball. Just like they have for several retrans negotiations with TW, Cablevison, etc. And the web sites they establish for each provider is just a part of it. I just watched this weeks Sons of Anarchy and there was a scroll on the bottom of the screen telling Dish subscribers what we might lose and telling us to contact Dish. Like I'm gonna call Dish and tell them to settle this and the price increase be damned. I say hang in there Charlie. I can get the 2 FX programs I watch on DVD from my local library.
     
  15. Sep 29, 2010 #135 of 2032
    lparsons21

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame

    4,246
    191
    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    You are making an assumption based on comments at that site? I just did a sampling of their comments over many pages and not one single comment telling Fox to quit being so greedy. And I know of at least 3 people that submitted comments just like that.

    It is a heavily 'moderated' comment list to say the least. And your assumption may not be correct at all.

    For me, it isn't a big deal. FX currently has only one show I'm interested in, the Fox Sports networks mean even less than that, and I don't watch Nat Geo. I probably won't even notice when they are gone. I don't want my bill going up to feed the greed at News Corp!
     
  16. Sep 30, 2010 #136 of 2032
    MilFan

    MilFan Legend

    126
    0
    Sep 13, 2010
    That's fine, but for many it is. For me, the games on Fox Sports are the #1 thing I watch, and I did a lot of checking before moving to Dish Network. I even talked to a manager when I called asking about this dispute, and he assured me they would not lose stations that affect this many people. We'll see if he was lying.
     
  17. Sep 30, 2010 #137 of 2032
    dakeeney

    dakeeney Legend

    177
    0
    Aug 29, 2004
    I guess I've just recorded and watched the last episode of Terriers. Oh well.
     
  18. Sep 30, 2010 #138 of 2032
    Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 New Member

    6,659
    14
    Sep 3, 2007
    It's a great show! One of my favorites now.
     
  19. Sep 30, 2010 #139 of 2032
    MilFan

    MilFan Legend

    126
    0
    Sep 13, 2010
  20. Sep 30, 2010 #140 of 2032
    dakeeney

    dakeeney Legend

    177
    0
    Aug 29, 2004
    I will have to stand with Dish on this one. Corporate greed is the norm now.
    When Fox loses millions of dollars by not agreeing to a little lower asking price
    we'll see what their advertisers say when there are 14 million plus viewers gone. It would be in Fox's best interest to drop their asking price. I believe that it's better to lose a little bit of income than to lose it all.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page