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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. phrelin

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    Yep, it's my unhumble opinion. Note, I said before 2025, not this year. Even mega corporations can only move Congress slowly, in increments. For instance Murdoch's last win I noted before:
    It's the big picture to keep in mind. In 1998 there were no clues about the risks of letting the investment community run wild, except a long history of screwups and bad faith.
     
  2. SayWhat?

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    I keep seeing the same small handful of people stating how important and valuable Fox is and how any company that drops them will die a quick death and yet nearly everyone else is saying they don't really miss Fox at all.
     
  3. sigma1914

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    Well, that's usually how a 2 sided discussion happens. :rolleyes:
     
  4. lparsons21

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    According to multiple sources, ad dollars are down because of not having enough shows in the top spots. And ad dollars are what they worry about. If they could get enough ad dollars, they wouldn't care about what position they were in.

    And because those ad dollars are down, they are looking to make up for it and add some more directly from US!

    The one thing you can take from this and the other ongoing battles with Fox and others is that all carriers are going to see more of this, not less.
     
  5. lparsons21

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    It will be darned funny if it is found that FX, RSN and other Fox channels aren't nearly as big a deal as Fox is hoping they are in all of this.

    I for one, don't miss any of what is gone now. Fox local here is locally owned, so it will still be on, but even if it weren't I can get the 5 shows I watch each week on them via OTA. While I like those 5 shows, they aren't in my top 10 shows each week though.
     
  6. sigma1914

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    FX was cables 10th highest rated network of 2009, 5th among 18-49 year olds...The others, not so much. :lol:
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    We haven't heard boo about the lost Disney HD feeds from more than a month ago... Is it months now? I honestly haven't thought about them except as comparison to this new FOX dispute.

    Honestly, and I'm repeating myself, for as popular as FOX supposedly is... this thread is not nearly as active as the Lifetime dispute thread of a couple of years back! Seriously... that one created more furor than this one... so either FOX isn't that popular after all OR the general public is siding with Dish on this one.

    Meanwhile... I've seen 1, maybe 2 in this thread who have actually switched from Dish to elsewhere over this... and I've heard literally nothing on the major news channels about this.

    Even if local FOX is lost in some O&O markets... many (if not most) of those people will be able to continue watching via OTA and might not even notice that Dish no longer has a SAT feed. I know I wouldn't, as I never watch the SAT feed, but I'm also not in an O&O market either.

    Meanwhile, no amount of bickering on our forum will change anything... This is between Dish and FOX... and right now both sides are digging in their heels. Personally, I think FOX should cave. Whether or not they are "due" an increase at this point is irrelevant. They've already seen that they aren't as important to Dish as Dish is to them...

    FOX should, as I've suggested before, agree to provide the feeds at the old rate while negotiating new terms that would be back-dated to the old contract expiration. Right now FOX is getting nothing, and asking for pie in the sky... They'd be better off getting what they were happy with under the old contract, and asking for more.

    Yes, it takes away an advantage point to not withhold feeds... but at this point, I think it is all but proven that it isn't much of a negotiating point because there isn't any major backlash from Dish customers over this.

    Oh, and no... I do not believe Dish is "doing it for the customers"... They are a business, and doing it for themselves... just like FOX and just like any one of us would do in their shoes! But, the interest of the customers is also Dish business... so just like it behooves FOX to keep their channels on while negotiating... it also behooves Dish not to allow channels to go dark while holding their point as well.

    You or I might ask for and deserve a raise... but in this economy most of us wouldn't refuse to work at all while asking for that raise... More than likely, we'd keep trying but keep working... and meanwhile the longer the lack of raise, the more we'd be searching to see IF there was a better job out there. But current money is better than no money while waiting for future money that never was yours yet.
     
  8. SayWhat?

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    The point is that there are only a small few complaining, albeit vocally.

    The vast majority here don't seem to care if Fox goes away.
     
  9. Hoosier205

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    Those of us here, both Dish and DirecTV subs alike, represent a very small fraction of each providers total subscribers. The vast majority here, haven't chimed in one way or the other. There is no way to know how they feel about the issue. Whether or not that they have posted in this thread is not a sound indication.
     
  10. sigma1914

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    The vast majority here aren't Dish subs, nor have they chimed in with an opinion.
     
  11. James Long

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    Which shows what most DISH subs HERE think of the issue so far. Not worth commenting on.
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    I am certain that the Q4 numbers will show that these disputes have impacted both providers in very different ways. Judging how much the issue is impacting Dish based on activity in various threads here is not a good idea. The Dish Network sections of this forum aren't overly active anyway.

     
  13. Hoosier205

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    That's only your assumption.
     
  14. sorentodd45

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    In theory, that would work. But unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Dish and Direct go by zip code to assign sports blackouts.

    And the re-mapping software is different for Dish and Direct as opposed to cable TV / Verizon. You would think that cable TV CI would be in the clear for a local team if they are using the exact same feed as the local RSN. But nope, the channel is blacked out. The end result is that with D or D, you have two choices of channels to watch a game, with cable, only one.
     
  15. SayWhat?

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    I'm referring to the majority of posters on this thread, which should have been obvious. It's the only measure we have at the moment.

    I'd almost rather see Fox go away for a few weeks or maybe months and really take it in the wallet for a while.
     
  16. James Long

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    Here's a good reply to that statement:
    Which is why I focused on the DISH subscribers HERE and their actual posting history in this thread ... as compared with select DirecTV subs HERE who seem to be more obsessed with the issue.
     
  17. Hoosier205

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    It's an assumption on your part until actual data becomes available. It's an issue that will approach our doorstep in the near future. So, we are understandably interested. Also, I think we have played very nice for the most part. The CI thing was viewed as a DirecTV vs Dish thing, but it really wasn't. It was more of an interesting footnote. I hadn't looked into it before and didn't notice the disparity until recently.
     
  18. sigma1914

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    Be honest, the whole Dish side of this forum is pretty dead. You're amc HD thread had a whopping 75 posts...14 were from Directv subs.
     
  19. MilFan

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    I don't see how relevant that is here, they were #1 for five years and are still highly rated now. Those that argue it's not that popular are 100% wrong, period. The local Fox loss will result in a big outcry if it happens, you can bet money on it.
     
  20. Hoosier205

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    It looks like this forum is trends more towards DirecTV as far as membership goes, while the other one (with their paid handler) trends more towards Dish. I'm not sure why, but that seems to be the case
     
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