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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. runner861

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    Don't be too sure. Things are moving in that direction. Look what happened to music and music stores with the advent of itunes. People are getting more and more programming on an a la carte basis over the internet. Cable companies and satellite companies can either change with the times, or be left behind and become irrelevant. I'll say it again: The current system is unsustainable and is broken.
     
  2. GrumpyBear

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    No I am a Big sports fan. Carry the Multisports Package every year. Getting the MSP w/NFL Redzone for Free right now, do to all this.

    Sorry Basketball is 82 games long, NHL is an extremely long 82 games as well. Both have playoff season almost as long as the regular season. Getting all hot an bothered about this now, with some much time remaining and how this will be the death of Dish is crazy.

    Sorry no World Weries that effected millions more than the few fans, that the loss of Fox Sports is effecting. The loss of an entire NHL season, effected more fans that the current issue as well. Yet somehow all survived, and both effected millions of more fans than the current issues.

    Sorry if the Aunt Peal got to you, It was just on TV on a episode of That 70's show. Just to funny.
     
  3. sigma1914

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    Why do people keep comparing an iTunes music purchase to TV? iTunes style works in music because you can buy songs rather than a whole album. Who's going to buy individual shows of a season? No one. It's no the same.

    I just checked iTunes...Mad Men Season 4 cost $34.99 :lol: No thanks.
     
  4. Hoosier205

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    Oh I am absolutely sure that things are not moving in that direction. Those of us who understand the history and issues surrounding a la carte models know why it is not going to happen with television service providers. Service providers, content providers, creative talent, production talent, consumers, etc...all would lose under a la carte systems. It's a terrible idea and luckily isn't being pursued by anyone in a position to implement it.
     
  5. GrumpyBear

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    Hmm, I guess the sarcasm was totally missed. :nono::rolleyes::nono:
    Please reread. Will help you out since you like to selective copy and paste.

    Oh wait, you mean something can survive with an interruption? You mean people move on after something like an entire season lost? No couldn't really happen at all. Baseball and Hockey are dead sports.
    Those numbers show just how Baseball, survived killing, off the World Series and playoffs, that effected millions of more fans, than the current Fox and Dish issue. NHL canceled an enter season and survived. Seasons in question are just to long and its to early to really even be that worried about it.
    Sorry all the doom and gloom over this is crazy. All the posts on how Dish wont survive is crazy. Dish will recover keep on moving on. Just like Baseball and Hockey did.
     
  6. sigma1914

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    Ahhh ok. Now I see your point. I don't think Dish will die from this. Hurt? Yes.
     
  7. GrumpyBear

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    Without being in person, sometimes Sarcasm is easily missed. Dish will be hurt if and only if Fox O&O go dark. That will get more attention. Granted it will also give more attention to Fox for having the same problem with 2 carriers at the sametime. More people will be upset with Fox than Dish.

    You really can't find much outrage here in this very thread. A few yes, not many. You have almost as many Direct users, maybe more posting in this, really, really funny thread.
     
  8. runner861

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    What about AOL TV and Hulu and other sites that allow individual episodes and even individual news stories to be viewed? What about all the in demand programming on cable? You may be sure...others aren't. Time will tell. Do you think things will continue as is? Anytime a person or company is made to change and fears the possibility of losing money, there will be resistance. Change is coming. What exactly the change will be is unknown.

    Do you mean perused or pursued?
     
  9. Paul Secic

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    When did FOX purchase KWGN?
     
  10. James Long

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    You do realize that most of that content would not exist if it were not for carriage on a broadcast or cable network. Digital distribution is secondary. It is a way of programmers making extra money via advertisers and/or subscription fees off of programs transmitted by traditional means.

    The content that never saw broadcast is about the same quality as a direct to DVD movie. Sometimes you will find a gem, but most of the time you're not missing much. The best content still ends up being on a linear cable or broadcast channel - and maybe on VOD for those who missed an episode.

    A la carte by program isn't going to replace traditional cable or broadcast.
     
  11. Geronimo

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    No you will not. Dish does not have to negotiate for the right to carry superstations. They simply pay copyright fees. but isn't KWGN a tribume owned station?
     
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    I agree that a la carte by program isn't going to replace traditional cable or satellite or broadcast tv. All I mean is that a la carte choices are being seen in the marketplace, and I think that a la carte distribution of channels, as opposed to distribution by package, may be coming to cable and satellite. Who knows, I may be wrong, the marketplace is constantly evolving.
     
  13. Paul Secic

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    Since when? That's wonderful! I'm not paying for Judge Judy et al.
     
  14. epokopac

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    Looks like it never happened.

    According to Wikipedia:

    KWGN turned down the Fox affiliation in 1986, which instead went to KDVR.
     
  15. Geronimo

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    Even if it was owned by Fox it would still be available as a superstation. There is no need to megotiate retransmission consent for a superstation.
     
  16. James Long

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    If it were a Fox affiliate it would be considered a distant (regardless of ownership) and could not be a superstation.
     
  17. Stewart Vernon

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    But it isn't moving more and more in that direction.

    If you wanted just one season of one show via iTunes it would likely cost you $30+ for that show online.

    All you have to do is want 2 shows, and you're already paying more than your cable/sat bill for hundreds of channels.
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    That's another good point that people often miss... DVD sales and online streaming/digital copies are supplemental to the original broadcast.

    IF the original broadcast goes away... leaving only online content... then that content would possibly need to cost even more to make up for that lost revenue.
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    Another thought on the bundling during negotiations.

    I would really like to see a company like FOX negotiate different contracts for each channel... and not bundle them together... but I don't suppose that would ever happen voluntarily. I wouldn't want our government to mandate it either.

    BUT

    I think it might be appropriate to force an OTA broadcast network to negotiate completely independent from same-company-owned satellite... In other words, not allow a company like FOX to tie their O&O local channels to negotiations for FX and their RSNs.

    As an example... what if all those gas stations that sell gasoline required you to also buy chips + drinks in their usually overpriced convenience store in order to buy gasoline. You'd have no choice but to do so if you have a car to drive... and that would be an unfair bundling situation that I think our government would step in to rectify.

    I see similar parallels here. I wouldn't want the government to force carriage for locals or SAT channels... but if the same company owns SAT and OTA stations... I would be fine if the government stepped in and mandated separate negotiations for each scenario AND forbid bundling of those negotiations OR a company like FOX trying to use their locals as leverage against their SAT channels.
     
  20. runner861

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    But what about Hulu and AOL TV, where you can watch individual episodes? You can also watch individual episodes and even individual news reports on network sites. And cable is already full of on demand video. That is what people want today.

    I don't mean that overall cable and satellite will go away in favor of purchase of individual episodes. I mean that cable and satellite customers may be allowed to purchase individual stations on an a la carte basis. We shall see. Who knows, I may be wrong.
     
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