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Dish Vs DirecTv

Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by CrazyGuy, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. sregener

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    When I switched from DirecTV to Dish just over a year ago, I did so for a couple of reasons. First, the HR22-100 I had was an absolute dog of a performer. 20-30 seconds after power up (from standby, not complete off) to be able to start a program or change a channel. At the time, the HR24 was supposed to be much faster, but DirecTV wouldn't guarantee me an HR24 if I asked for a replacement receiver. They essentially called all the HR21-24 receivers identical. I could buy an HR24 from a 3rd party for $200, but that's asking a lot just to be able to pick your model number when you upgrade.

    Dish offered me a significant savings the first year (over $240) and guaranteed me the receiver of my choice for free. It's hard to spend $500 just to stick with a provider.

    In my opinion, the national HD on Dish is a little bit softer. Still nice, but definitely softer. The HD LiL is downright horrible, and I consider an OTA adapter and antenna a necessity. Can't say what DirecTV's HD LiL was like because they didn't offer it in my area when I had it. Note that I am a picture quality snob and can easily detect differences in picture quality most people would never see.
     
  2. harsh

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    The "slight" savings note is not true. The difference in ARPU between DIRECTV and DISH in 1Q2013 was $17.51/month. That works out to an average savings of $210.12/year with DISH.
     
  3. lparsons21

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    Which is a bogus comparison imo. The difference in ARPU comes from differing levels of programming and most especially things like NFLST which Dish doesn't have at all. In any comparison of packages/pricing, the difference these days is $5-$10/month. And that's the number that matters.
     
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  4. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    ARPU is actual numbers as opposed to everyone subscribing to your ideal package. In this case, it is not based on NFLST (as NFLST fees aren't in play in Q1). You pretend that NFLST has a relatively large number of residential subscribers and it's becoming less significant as time goes by.

    You also ignore the monthly offerings that DISH has that DIRECTV doesn't (Epix movie plex, sports, entertainment and several adult channels).
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    ARPU is a calculated number that includes commercial accounts ... just like the subscriber counts include "commercial equivalent viewing units". The subscriber numbers are adjusted to reflect both residential and commercial subscribers. The ARPU includes both residential and commercial accounts.

    Differing levels of programming comes from more than just the seasonal NFLST. Based on the ARPU DirecTV does a better job of getting people to pay more per month for their service than DISH. Their ARPU is still less than Premier, let alone adding seasonal sports packages. Comparing similar packages (AT200 vs Choice) is a good way of seeing where DirecTV is getting their extra ARPU dollars. Is it by charging more for the same content or by getting their customers to pay for more content?

    The new customer NFLST deals play into that ... "free NFLST when you subscribe to Premier" raises the subscription level to Premier year round. Perhaps in the second or third year the customer will fall back to a lower package ... or if they don't want NFLST they would select Choice or Entertainment on day one ... but having that package affects DirecTV's sales and ARPU.
     
  6. lparsons21

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    Nothing 'ideal' is picked by me, just a bogus reply to change the outcome.

    Comparisons of nearly like to like are the only thing that matters as most switchers and lookers will do that to determine which is a better deal.

    ARPU is about how much the average person is paying on each service, which is more an indication of how well the provider is able to market their packages and get subscribers to pay more.
     
  7. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    I'm not sure how to break up quotes with the new forum software.

    Commercial accounts probably aren't increasing much. If anything, with the exclusives that other providers have, some accounts have had to subtract receivers from DIRECTV and add boxes to their local cable operator (or DISH). Comcast has made major inroads in my area due to the absence of PAC12 and Trailblazers coverage on DIRECTV. Nonetheless, the commercial rates are relatively static (and free of many fees and upgrade options that residential customers have).

    The point is that the ARPU difference between DIRECTV and DISH has been increasing pretty radically in recent history and I have to think that it has mostly to do with those who are getting into advanced technology on the DIRECTV side (although DIRECTV claims that PPV is catching fire).

    The Premier subscriptions that come along with NFLST come with major discounts so that's probably not really a valid argument.
     
  8. James Long

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    "Increasing pretty radically" is not an accurate portrayal.

    Yes, it is. Your claim that NFLST does not affect 1Q ARPU fails when subscribers take a year round higher priced package to get the NFLST discounts.
     
  9. harsh

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    Let's look at the last few years of 1Q ARPU numbers.


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    2008 79.70 67.93 11.77 14.77%
    2009 80.35 70.03 10.32 12.84%
    2010 85.47 71.18 14.29 16.72%
    2011 88.79 75.39 13.40 15.09%
    2012 91.99 76.71 15.28 16.61%
    2013 96.05 78.54 17.51 18.23%
    So for the last two years, DIRECTV ARPU has been increasing at a much higher rate against the DISH ARPU than several years ago. Comparing DIRECTV 2008 to DIRECTV 2013, the ARPU went up 20.5% versus DISH's 15.6%

    I'm not convinced (and I suspect that the savvy DIRECTV NFLST subscriber isn't either) that subscribing to a higher dollar package insures that one is more likely to get discounts on NFLST; especially given DIRECTV's proclaimed success in cutting down on existing customer freebies.
     
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  10. studechip

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    And you are ignoring the channels that Directv has that Dish doesn't. For example, Directv has YES, Dish doesn't. For me that's a must have channel. Up to a point, the monthly difference between the two doesn't matter. BTW, this argument works both ways.
     
  11. harsh

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    This is back to the personal preferences argument. The point is that some are served what they want from one provider while others are denied what they want. The YES/MSG argument seems to be DIRECTV's big play (and the DIRECTV fanboy's go-to argument) but it is also one of the main drivers behind everyone in the market having to pay a Regional Sports Fee whether they are interested in the channels or not.
     
  12. studechip

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    So when you make the argument it's okay, but when I do it I'm a fanboy? I've often said YES is the one channel that keeps me a Directv sub. If you think that makes me a fanboy you are sadly mistaken.
     
  13. damondlt

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    Same here, by no means am I a Directv fanboy. But Dish is entirely not an option for me without them having YES or SNY in the lineup. I can live without the MSGs.
     
  14. harsh

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    I said it was the fanboy's go-to argument. If it hit too close to home, there's your sign.
     
  15. studechip

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    Since I was the one using the YES argument, it's pretty clear you were referring to me. If not, then who were you referring to?
     
  16. harsh

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    DIRECTV fanboys. Basic sentence structure.

    YES has long been a knee-jerk retort to perceived attacks on DIRECTV as if it were an obvious must-have component in every subscription television viewer's programming lineup.

    HERETIC: DIRECTV doesn't have _____ channel
    FANBOY: Brand X doesn't have YES

    INFIDEL: DIRECTV DVRs are slow
    FANBOY: Brand Y doesn't have YES
     
  17. RichP74

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    For me, it came down to the Hopper/Sling combo. I played with a Genie, and it... needs work. I don't have the patience for it, it reminded me of a gen 1 TiVo or something. I'm sure that, like Dish, they will substantially beef up version 2.0 of that box.

    Still, I don't blame anyone for using YES as an excuse. Bandwagoners love both Yankees baseball and DirecTV! ;)
     
  18. studechip

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    Since I am the one in this thread making that argument, you are referring to me. Like I said, I'm no big Directv supporter. The opposite of your argument is what keeps me with them. It's a must have for me, that doesn't mean in any way that anyone else should agree with me.
     
  19. lparsons21

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    If I were in your market and a sports fan, I wouldn't want Dish either and it is a very valid reason.

    Since I'm not either of those things, I can and do switch between services when it is in my best interest. That is the sole reason for doing so.
     
  20. joshjr

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    You know very well there are a lot of reasons people choose DirecTV over Dish. Its not always sports although sports is a big one. For me personally I would not want the Hopper. I prefer the Genie so I can control what's recorded and not be reduced to them recording all of primetime for me. I dont need the box to record crap I dont want it to. Just need it to do what I want it to do. There is an issue with switching, I have a huge setup (15 tuners) that would cost me a fortune at Dish to set and has only cost me a little over $400 with DirecTV, I hear a lot more about owned equipment with DirecTV, I own most of my equipment (4 of 6 DVR's). Contract disputes, Dish's lack of ability to keep their website update (they still show that WB and UPN stations are available), CSR lack of knowledge every time I ever call and ask questions, dual DVR's that only display SD on the 2nd TV, etc. I just do NOT want to deal with all the headaches. Not to mention I recall an article that Clark Howard cancelled service with them due to the fact that he didnt keep a phone cord pulled into his equipment and they kept shutting off receivers as well as accusing him of being dishonest. I just chose not to do business with a company like that. That is a lot and does not even cover Dish's lack of Sports which is MAJOR with me.
     
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