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Distant Networks Lose HD Channels

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Finnigan, Jan 7, 2011.

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  1. James Long

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    As long as you're using the receiver where stated, in the camper. I'm glad I can get my locals in HD without going outside.
     
  2. rrp13

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    Yes, my HD distants were shut off on 1/3 with no warning or phone call. When I called Sobongo, the explanation I got was that my sub "expired" and that I could not re-subscribe the HD channels because they were losing the contract on the 12th. However, I have two buddies nearby who still have not had theirs turned off. So, I'm thinking that if your "billing cycle" ended right before 1/12, you got shut off. Anyone who's billing cycle closed after 1/12 is still on. Sound plausible?
     
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    did u get the SD distants? cuz i would sign up for those immediatly, just to keep the DNS service active, even if u dont want to watch them. at this point, nobody knows exactly whats going to happen. i paid for a years worth so my billing cycle ends in either july or august. an yes mine were still on as of last night.
     
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  5. James Long

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    The new model doesn't affect DISH as their ability to deliver distants is restricted by LIL carriage, not OTA reception. Short markets are still short. Markets with a network station are still blocked from getting that network as a distant.

    It IS good for NPS and DirecTV ... companies with markets with no locals carried. This will allow them to more easily qualify a potential subscriber as unserved. Of course, once LIL is made available in a market the customers are served.

    DISH and NPS used the end of analog TV on June 12th, 2009, as a reason for more people to get distant services. DISH discussed it on the Charlie Chat earlier that week and HD distants service began on June 12th. NPS had a waiver form on their website for potential customers to fill out claiming that they lost network coverage with the end of analog TV. This FCC ruling, required by STELA, helps to defined unserved in a better way. But it doesn't help a company that "delivers" LIL in every market (even if that "delivery" in some market is only offering carriage to a station that refuses consent).
     
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    I understand that. I just note that the rules go into effect on January 21, and the rumor on the other site is that Dish may start a DNS service on that date. And it appears that one way or another NPS is exiting the DNS service, at least for HD stations, by that date.
     
  7. levibluewa

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    Maybe, this was posted over at "the other place" by a Directv sub...true or false?

    .......

    I live in one of the DMA's being affected by Northwest Broadcasting's channels being removed due to the contract dispute. Tonight, I received an automated call from DirecTV informing us that because of the dispute they have given us the Fox national feed until the dispute is resolved. One more reason I support DirecTV in this issue.
     
  8. joecap1946

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    Just lost my AAD CBS feeds. They went out a short while ago.
     
  9. James Long

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    I have no clue where the January 21st date comes from ... other than the rumor. It probably is just a coincidence. (Although my later math a few posts back notes that the NPS HD distants were uplinked on May 21st, 2009 ... 20 months ago ... so that date as a physical turn off date for NPS seems logical. The date the transponder becomes available would be a good day for DISH to start service ... but it is still all rumor and wishful thinking.)

    There is no site but DBSTalk. :)
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2685292#post2685292

    Apparently DirecTV has activated the distant in areas outside of the coverage area of the station. I won't vouch for the legality of that but I assume DirecTV has lawyers who said it is OK.
     
  10. runner861

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    I'm not aware of what would make this legal, but I note that Time-Warner signaled its intention to do the same thing during one of its recent retransmission disputes. It never came to that. Of course, cable and satellite are covered by different laws.

    It appears that cable and satellite want to push the law when it comes to retransmission disputes. This significantly weakens the bargaining power of the local station. Ultimately, when it comes to raw use of the cable or satellite system, any cable or satellite system can retransmit any station to any subscriber until ordered by a court to stop. Of course, there may be sanctions for doing that. Evidently Direct is indicating that it is ready to take the risk, probably anticipating that it will never have to turn the distant station on, but will instead just use the possibility to increase its bargaining leverage. Or, if it does turn the distant on, it will only last for a few days, not enough time for a court to deal with the issue.
     
  11. James Long

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    At best it seems to be a loophole ... customers within the defined OTA coverage area of the station are served and unless they can prove they are not served OTA via testing they would not be able to get the distant replacement. DirecTV is following the law and NOT delivering the distant to OTA served customers.

    Customers outside the OTA coverage area can receive distants. The law preventing that would be 47 USC § 339 (a)(2) ... and that section only applies if the carrier "makes available to the subscriber the signal of a local network station affiliated with the same television network" ... in a contract dispute DirecTV is not making that same network station available so the whole market blackout does not apply.

    An interesting loophole ... not serving the covered areas of the market but giving some backup coverage where possible. (It appears a SV station could also be carried, but only a SD SV.)
     
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    If that is the case, the bulk of the market will probably still not be eligible for the distant. It will not be possible to conduct testing on a large scale, so it will probably be only those viewers in the white area as identified by Decisionmark. I had thought from the previous post that Direct was going to make the distant available to the entire market, which would be really aggressive.
     
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    Had you discussed the matter with AAD and requested that your payment be shifted to the SD service, or were you just standing by and waiting to see what happened? Also, are you in a short market or a white area or did you have a waiver?
     
  14. joecap1946

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    I spoke to them prior to the shut off. They offered me both CBS feeds in SD. I paid 49.00 for 13 months. I really enjoy the option of the west coast feed, true they are not in HD. I'm in a DMA that doesn't carry a HD feed of CBS, so the HD was nice while it lasted. I get all the Big Networks except for CBS in HD, Panama City Florida gets it's CBS from Dothan AL.

    I was a yearly subscriber, so I have an additional credit on the books. I'll just wait and see what happens. I didn't want to cancel totally, wanted to remain an active customer. I think it would be harder to cancel and try to subscribe again. I never really had to get a waiver, when we lost CBS back in 2006 I was grandfathered in.

    That's just me.
     
  15. psdstu

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    Joe,

    I guess the best we can hope for is sometime soon.......... maybe in 2011, that DISH will get HD for Dothan and then in turn, maybe we can get our CBS in HD......

    I know both DIRECT and COMCAST in Dothan have HD.....no rela idea why DISH can't/won't do the same.

    Stu
     
  16. joecap1946

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    Stu, I was in Sam's the other day and Direct had a table set up. They have Panama City locals coming in 2011 (Who Knows). He told me they would be in HD.

    Their(Direct's) website states "Panama City locals coming in 2011"

    Just a matter of time.

    Too bad I like Dish and it's equipment.

    Take care
     
  17. levibluewa

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    The HD feeds are still on...tick, tick, tick!
     
  18. tampa8

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    Suprisingly mine are too. (11AM EST)
     
  19. joecap1946

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    Show off.....................:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
  20. levibluewa

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    BOOM!!!!!! They're gone.
     
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