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Ditching C31s for H25s - Do I need a new multiswitch?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by sangs, Aug 9, 2013.

  1. The Merg

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    Thanks Merg. I'll take a look at it again when I get home. Didn't even think to look up at the dish for the SWM16. Where would he install up that high? I thought it needed a power connection? Funny thing is, I saw him with a a box indicating the contents were an SWM16. He definitely replaced the LNB though, but didn't get finished until it was dark (unfortunately) because he was running a couple hours late, so I wasn't really shadowing the install. However, like I mentioned, everything works. Ran tests on all the receivers and DVRs, all passed. Transponder levels indicate strong signals.


    It does require power via a Power Inserter, but the PI can be placed in the house and provides power back to the SWM via the power passing ports on the splitters. As mentioned above, you should have 4 coax cables from the dish to the SWM16 and the. 2 coax cables from the SWM16 outputs to your splitters/receivers. The PI might have been replaced since you switched from a SWM-LNB to a SWM16.


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  2. sangs

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    During the interim - before I get home to check on the SWM16 - let me ask this: should I re-do the satellite set up on each receiver/DVR? They're all still set up as Slimline-3S (SWM). Should that be changed now that I have a legacy LNB, or doesn't it matter? Thanks again.
     
  3. FHSPSU67

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    If they're all working now, I would leave them alone. Almost has to be SWM if they're all working.
     
  4. JosephB

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    If you set it to legacy, it's not expecting a SWM switch. Just leave it as SWM. The receiver doesn't really know the difference between a SWM switch and a SWM LNB.

    The real way to test is to set every one of the receivers to a different channel. Best if you can somehow figure out a way to make sure they're all on different transponders. One to a local, one to an SD national channel, one to an SD Local if you can, etc etc.
     
  5. HoTat2

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    I personally do not see the difference between between placing the LNB type on SL-3/5 (#03,04) or SL-3/5S (#17,18), when connected to a SWiM-8/16 out-board module since as far as the receiver is concerned it's still connected to a SWiM-LNB functionally speaking. Though I have my SL-5 to SWiM-16 install set to SL-5 (#04) anyway.

    And I guess if the TS starts getting 776 error messages for an over-subscribed SWIM, we'll know the installer did not do the correct job. :)
     
  6. Bill Broderick

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    Don't change the setup. You definitely have SWM (SWM dish and SWM multiswitch are the same thing as far as the IRD is concerned). My guess is that the SWM-16 is installed at the dish, which is why you don't see it.
     
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  7. sangs

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    Well I'll be damned, there it is. Thanks for basically telling me to look up guys. He installed it under the eave of the roof - three stories up. I'm not exactly sure why, but it's there. That's going to make for some pretty inconvenient fixing if things ever go awry - and is the first time I've ever had an outdoor splitter/switch of any kind attached to my home that high up. So now that that (non)mystery is solved, I'm wondering what the purpose is of the little metal splitter he attached near the 8-way down low?

    Also, thanks for the satellite setup suggestions. I'll keep it as is.
     
  8. The Merg

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    Well I'll be damned, there it is. Thanks for basically telling me to look up guys. He installed it under the eave of the roof - three stories up. I'm not exactly sure why, but it's there. That's going to make for some pretty inconvenient fixing if things ever go awry - and is the first time I've ever had an outdoor splitter/switch of any kind attached to my home that high up. So now that that (non)mystery is solved, I'm wondering what the purpose is of the little metal splitter he attached near the 8-way down low?

    Also, thanks for the satellite setup suggestions. I'll keep it as is.


    Looking at the "splitter" to the right of the 8-way, it is hard to see if the output from that goes to the 8-way, but I would think that it does not. The "splitter" that you are referring to seems to be a grounding block, however, I don't see the grounding wire connected to it.


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  9. sangs

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    Interesting, as the previous installer already ran a grounding wire from the 8-way to a faucet head in that area. So you're saying that's not even a splitter? I have some yard work being done right now, I'll go determine which wire is running exactly where once they finish.
     
  10. The Merg

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    Interesting, as the previous installer already ran a grounding wire from the 8-way to a faucet head in that area. So you're saying that's not even a splitter? I have some yard work being done right now, I'll go determine which wire is running exactly where once they finish.


    Okay. Looking at your photo again, I see the ground wire to the 8-way. The other item is not a splitter. It looks like the installer just used it as a barrel connector to connect a cable that is going into your house with the new cable run from the SWM16. I would guess the cable from the house was initially on the 8-way and belongs to either the HR24 or the Genie.


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  11. sangs

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    Upon further examination, I think that is exactly the case, although I believe the cable in question might actually lead to the SWM power brick in my basement office.
     
  12. The Merg

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    Upon further examination, I think that is exactly the case, although I believe the cable in question might actually lead to the SWM power brick in my basement office.


    Well, there has to be a receiver off of that other line that the PI is on. Otherwise, you would have 10 tuners on one side of the SWM16, which is too many.


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  13. sangs

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    I'll take your word for it Merg. Coming from the third story, it's up way too high for me to accurately assess which wire is running where. All I know is it's working correctly and the Good Lord willing, will continue working correctly. If not, I'll give them a call. Thanks again. :righton:
     
  14. The Merg

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    I'll take your word for it Merg. Coming from the third story, it's up way too high for me to accurately assess which wire is running where. All I know is it's working correctly and the Good Lord willing, will continue working correctly. If not, I'll give them a call. Thanks again. :righton:


    No problem. If you think the PI is off that single wire, see if there is a splitter near the PI for a receiver or if there is a coax from the Signal to IRD port on the PI to a receiver.


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  15. JosephB

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    And as to why the SWM is up so high, I would imagine it was to prevent having to run four new runs from the dish all the way to the ground.

    With all that equipment, are you on the protection plan? If something breaks, it'll be up to DirecTV to fix it. If they put it up that high, that's their problem.
     
  16. The Merg

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    And as to why the SWM is up so high, I would imagine it was to prevent having to run four new runs from the dish all the way to the ground.

    With all that equipment, are you on the protection plan? If something breaks, it'll be up to DirecTV to fix it. If they put it up that high, that's their problem.


    Even without the PP, it's still kinda DirecTV's problem. The OP might have to pay for the tech visit (usually $50), but everything would be taken care of.


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  17. sangs

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    Yessir, there is a coax from the Signal to IRD port on the PI, to a receiver.
     
  18. The Merg

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    Yessir, there is a coax from the Signal to IRD port on the PI, to a receiver.


    A receiver or a DVR?


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  19. HoTat2

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    Got to be a DVR, if not the Genie, otherwise the TS would certainly be getting 776 error messages on some of the receivers on the other side of the SWiM-16 by now I'd think.
     
  20. Phil17108

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    I guess what the installer did was run 2 cables from the swm16 down to existing 8 way, removed cable to Genie and installed it on the single wire grounding block and the 2nd cable from the swm16 to grounding block add the power inserter were the Genie is. That splits your system to 5 tuners on each side of the 16 with more room to grow. That is what I see in your photo.
     

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