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DLB, Wanting is better than Having !!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dreadlk, Sep 5, 2009.

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  1. Drew2k

    Drew2k New Member

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    If it auto-pauses, you'd be happy, but I wouldn't. In the current implementation, you can pause before pressing DOWN. If your way was implemented, I'd have no way NOT to pause before pressing DOWN. So again, you'd be happy, and I wouldn't. DIRECTV's method serves both sets of users, while yours doesn't. Sorry, but DIRECTV made the right call.

    I agree... reading back on the DLB threads and knowing the history, this was a tremendous undertaking. I'm happy it's here.
     
  2. Nicholsen

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    Drew, I think auto-pause on the DP is a must have. However, I acknowledge the logic of your argument.

    Perhaps there should be a user option, like the 30Skip, to toggle this? Perhaps there should be an "advanced features" menu where these kinds of options are made available (in one place) to power users?
     
  3. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone DBSTalk Club

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    If you want it paused, you can pause it. What about those that wouldn't want to pause it and the pause was automatic? How would they get around that? It might not be what you'd prefer, but it's not a design flaw, it's the correct way to do it.
     
  4. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

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    Easy solution order more DVR's.
     
  5. Nicholsen

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    They would "get around it" by having it be a user option. That makes everyone happy. The default could be what you propose, but there needs to be an option to change the behavior. I think most people watching football want the buffer paused before the switch. I think it is now acknowledged that is the highest and best use of DLB/DP.

    I say this as someone who has run the "pause, down button, release pause" sequence thousands of times on the HR10-250. You can always skip forward, but you never want to skip back on "live" sports. I usually watch 5+ NFL games on Sunday, plus any OT games. The DLB/DP feature makes that possible.
     
  6. Nicholsen

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    "So has DirecTV officially responded to why DLB is not offered?"

    Doug Brott (2/1/08) --

    "No, and they probably never will issue a press release or official announcement ...

    This comment is as official as it is going to get...

    DirecTV decided that DLB was not a feature they wanted in their DVR platform.""

    Doug Brott (10/11/09) --

    "Yes, a few screws apparently. You're welcome to call this feature what you want. DIRECTV calls it DoublePlay and (show of hands please) who here doesn't think that's a Marketing name?

    We've outlined what it does and what it doesn't do. Folks watch TV how they want and if Sports is the only time DoublePlay is ever used, then so be it. before 0x34c even that couldn't be done. :shrug:

    It's time for you to just admit that you were wrong and DIRECTV really did have this on the roadmap.
    I think you'll find that DoublePlay fits within most people's definition of what DLB is. The feature is not identicle to TiVo's implementation and that seems to be the biggest stumbling block for many people .. even those that haven't even tried it.

    Once that "change" settles in, I'm confident that those that really care (not those looking for an argument) will be quite happy with the implementation.

    Oh, and for the record, even with JUST football, many, many people use DoublePlay every single weekend to optimize viewing NFL games. This doesn't even take into account the individuals who watch multiple dramas or news programs. So while you may find a use for it twice a year, I'm sure there are a lot of NFL fans that use it ~20 weekends out of the year on football alone."

    (Emphasis Added)

    Bolt's dogged postings re DLB should not be overlooked by those who would prefer to rewrite history.
     
  7. Tom Robertson

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    Wait, wait,wait :) :)

    I don't want autopause! I switch live TV from football game to another, and if something happened, I'll go back, but I don't want to have to go forward on every swap. It works just like I want right now. :)

    (This was one of the problems I had with the record two things workaround, it didn't work for me.) :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  8. MartyS

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    I don't know for sure if I would want auto pause, although I understand your point, and the way that you might use DP in your situation.

    For me, when I do want to pause, it's real simple... I press the pause button before I switch tuners. When I watch football, I usually switch tuners at a commercial break. I find it easier to let the commercials buffer on the tuner I'm switching from and do a quick rewind to get where I want to get in the buffer.

    That's me and the way I use DP or DLB. I wouldn't want auto pause, but would not be adverse to having it as a setting, similar to 30 slip/30 skip.
     
  9. David MacLeod

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    you a fortune teller? :)
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    :rolling::icon_lol:!rolling

    It's truly amazing how some folks think that DirecTV will cater to their every design whim, or else they make blanket statements on terms like "design flaws". Perhaps a dictionary might be a good XMAS gift for those folks....as the clear don't understand that a flaw is a defect, whereas a design difference is a design difference.

    Just because something works differently than they way that one person wants it doesn't make it a "flaw".

    Get over it.
     
  11. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    I agree. I think that CE'rs sometimes forget that D* is designing these receivers to be used by the "average" user, not just "techno geeks", active CE'rs, or computer programmers, etc. I think we should keep this in mind,when we are testing the new weekly ce, how will my aged friends and families, the average person next door, be using this.
     
  12. drpjr

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    Sakatomatoes...
    That should be rule #1 in the CE handbook!!
     
  13. Doug Brott

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    So how do the folks that don't want it to auto-pause make it keep playing if it always auto-pauses? There is no 'keep playing' button.

    Perhaps, but these downloads make money for DIRECTV. I don't see this going away. Heck, didn't they just talk about folks being able to go select which movies they wanted downloaded to their DVR (kinda like netflix)? How exactly do you think this content will arrive?
     
  14. Doug Brott

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    Ah, to be fair, that quote from me (oh, and thanks for providing the link to the post :rolleyes:) was actually a re-quote from Earl which was made Jan 2008 time frame.

    Here's my quote:
    Here's where I explained this once before:
    And while my requote may not have been clear on that fateful day some 19 months ago, here is the original quote from Earl (also shown above):
    Guess what!? That comment was wrong as it turns out. You may not have been here at the time, but there was a daily (heck, hourly) call for Earl to explain why DIRECTV didn't have Dual Live Buffers. Also, if you'll read the quote very closely, the word 'never' does not appear there. I knew that there was an implicit 'now' at the end of that comment, but most people took it to be an implicit 'ever.'

    That's the history ..

    Oh, and for all of you DLB aficionados out there .. Are you glad this comment turned out to be wrong? :grin:
     
  15. Dr. Booda

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    I'm on the fence concerning auto pause. For some types of DP utilization (short length programs), I think that it would be great. For other times (long sporting events) it might not be. Overall, I don't think that it's a big issue. IIRC, the HR-10 didn't auto pause either.

    I'd also like to thank Directv for releasing the feature. I was a pro-DLB zealot from the beginning of the HR series, and it 's great to finally have it now. The combination of DP and Quicktune makes it really painless to bounce around my favorite channels, especially now during NFL season.
     
  16. Nicholsen

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    That will teach me to post late at night. The original post obviously should have read 9/11/09.
     
  17. Nicholsen

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    Oldest joke among programmers --

    "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"

    Your right, it is not a software "defect." It's a poor design choice.
     
  18. hdtvfan0001

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    In your opinion maybe....clearly in the minority of posters in this thread.

    But you're entitled to it. :D
     
  19. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    The average person will be happy with it, whatever it's "design feature".
     
  20. Doug Brott

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    :up: this is correct and I suspect the folks here will enjoy DoublePlay as well.
     
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