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DLB, Wanting is better than Having !!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dreadlk, Sep 5, 2009.

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  1. boltjames

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    Let me make this simple, because clearly you're not getting it. You think the second tuner's purpose is for jumping, most of us think its not:

    "Jumpers" Are Happy. DP allows them to jump back/forth/back/forth and have a buffer so they don't miss anything. For these ADD types, they can now enjoy watching everything all at once without actually enjoying a single program in its entirety. Some people are like that, good for them, they're satisfied.

    "Viewers" Are Unhappy. DP isn't about jumping to them. DP means that the second tuner and its buffer could be used to conveniently put a second channel in there on 'permanent record' for an entire day, week, month, or year. Sitting their quietly and conveniently, recording an hour and a half of programming on a favorite channel. A round-the-clock time machine, letting the viewer access it at his leisure. These people watch programs in their entirety and get frustrated when they navigate to a second-favorite program on a favorite channel that's already in progress. The second tuner enablement is a great solution for this type of casual viewer.

    Trust me, Mr. & Mrs. Camry aren't using their DVR like you are. They watch TV. They're not hopping around watching two things at once. The better purpose for the second tuner is to be just that- a second tuner, a backup to the primary one, quietly recording the channel you asked it to. It's the good ol' standard 90 minute buffer x2. That's how the majority use it, for those that know it's there at all, that is.

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  2. boltjames

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    Correct. No one should be using a DVR to jump back/forth between two concurrent programs as a normal way of watching TV. The entire point of a DVR is to alleviate the need for "jumping" like that. DLB is merely a happy accident for jumpers. The unfortunate end-product and opposite of what the second tuner is actually there for to begin with.

    I would have preferred that the second tuner never be enabled at all. But now that it has, it should have at least been done correctly.

    The second tuner on a DVR's primary purpose is to record something while you watch something else live. What I'm discussing is precisely that situation. My old HR10, I'd lock ESPN or YES or MSG or another favorite channel in there for months solely so that whenever I wanted to see the last 30 minutes of something on that channel and/or missed the first few minutes of a program on that channel, it was sitting there waiting for me as a backup.

    There is a difference between a "jumper" and a "viewer". Jumpers should be thrilled with DP. I get that. But the rest of us, we Viewers, we don't jump around much at all and for those that have used two-tuner DVR's what I'm describing is a natural course of business for us. If you don't jump, you use the second tuner to lock in on a favorite channel so that (in the case of the HR2X) you could have always had 90 minutes of programming there. Because of the timeout, DP is a let down for us. Surely you can comprehend this.

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  3. Tom Robertson

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    Most? Please show your homework if you make claims... (ie a source backing up your argument.)
    Please be careful with the pejorative use of ADD. I am ADD and quite happy with the tremendous benefits therein.

    And also please take care of telling others how we don't "actually enjoy watching a single program in its entirety." You don't know how others might or might be enjoying things.
    Trust you? !rolling With a record of inconsistent statements of: DIRECTV will never DLB, DVRs shouldn't be used for DLB, DVRs are for recordings only, you never use DLB, occasionally use DLB, always use DLB, DVRs can't possibly DLB, most people don't do DLB yet are unhappy, etc.

    Of course from time to time each of us will make postings that seem inconsistent. Context, ambiguity, tireness, and mistakes happen. Somehow tho, methinks this is different...

    Cheers,
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  4. Tom Robertson

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    There it is again. That statement of you know how DVRs "should be used". Telling everyone that the second tuner should even be disabled.

    Then in the same breath saying you want DLB for a live viewing experience. !rolling

    Then trying to classify users (who shouldn't exist in your first statement) as jumpers OR viewers. All of whom you say could use DLB--that you say shouldn't be possible.

    So why are you trying to say as to how we should be doing with our DVRs? You can't even express how you want to use a DVR consistently. :lol:

    Cheers,
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  5. boltjames

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    Instead of looking for inconsistencies, how about addressing the argument made? What's next.....spelling errors?

    Regarding homework and claims, tell me, how many TV's made today offer picture-in-picture? If jumping with buffering was so important to its subscriber base, why would D* ignore it completely for 3+ years during its most critical expansion period?

    There are "jumpers" and there are "viewers". Two completely different behaviors by two completely different users on the same hardware. That's a fact. Jumpers are happy. Good. Viewers aren't as happy. Bad.

    DBS tolerated "Bring Back DLB!" zealots for years. I look forward to the "Free Us From The Bondage Of The 2 Hour Timeout!" support as well.

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  6. Tom Robertson

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    I'm sorry, I couldn't find a cohesive argument within the inconsistencies. Please try again.

    Without insulting ADD'ers. Without telling people how you think a DVR should be used. And without statistics are are made up unless shown to be otherwise.

    Cheers,
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  7. boltjames

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    I'm sure that the passengers on the Titanic didn't think the boat could sink, but once it was obvious that it was going down the amount of lifeboats was all that mattered.

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  8. Tom Robertson

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    Titanic??? DLB is a titanic going down? !rolling !rolling (that's a double.) :)

    Thankfully I'll be enjoying viewing, jumping, recording, and watching my HR2x's. :)
     
  9. boltjames

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    It's called an "analogy". It's about context.

    In a world where the second tuner is not enabled, what the second tuner is doing is immaterial. Once you live in a world where the second tuner is enabled, what its doing can be discussed.

    The argument for DLB has always been about the jumpers and their unique way of enjoying TV programming. The argument has never been about "well, once the second tuner is enabled, what's the best way for it to function and what else can it do?"

    When we boarded in Southampton, we didn't talk lifeboats. Now that the boat's halfway underwater, we should.

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  10. Tom Robertson

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    Seems to me analogies that use extreme examples for comparison are more !rolling than useful. (Or so emotionally charged that no comparison is possible.)

    I can't see this being a life and death situation. The titanic was.

    Perhaps you see the HR2x's as life and death? Ouch. !rolling
     
  11. Doug Brott

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    Talk about it all you want .. It will be in vain .. And yeah, you can quote me on that one as it will not be different down the road unless there are more than two tuners inside a single device.
     
  12. BubblePuppy

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    That isn't a bad idea. That would make DP activation invisible to the user, save a couple button presses (it appears some user's fingers get very tired from over use). I could go with this.
     
  13. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    I know I use the remote many times, even within a 1 hour period; that is why the 2 hour activation "limit" isn't a limit for me.
    Even with a long movie there are potty breaks, and snack breaks, skipping/slipping past commercials.
     
  14. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Isn't that usually the case when DP is activated for the first time? I know that sometimes when I first activate DP, I kinda wonder why the second channel is what it is? Your first paragraph seems to support wanting DP to be always on, and I know that is not your intention. I don't see a need to have DP always on.
     
  15. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    What is going on in your life that would cause you to have so much stress over a second channel being buffered in the back ground? Do you hear voices telling you "BoltJames, you must toggle between two buffered channels."?
     
  16. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Isn't that what scheduling a recording is for? Usually, the first thing I do in the morning when I turn on the tv, is to scan the guide to see if there shows I want to record during the day. I don't have a interest in RW/FF through a buffer just to see what I missed...I don't need a dvr diary of all the shows that have been on on a particular channels.
     
  17. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    I want a "Merry-GO-Round" smiley.....:D


    BoltJames: "Out damn DP! You are causing me anxiety" --->:bang <------DP:"Then don't use me. I'm here to stay and I am better."
     
  18. pjsauter

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    Glad to hear that wanting is better than having, 'cuz Sunday's here, and I'm still wanting. :(
     
  19. MartyS

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    And I know that you and I are both going to be watching the same game tonight... that's fer sure....

    :lol::lol:
     
  20. zudy

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    I am still wanting here too. Someday.
     
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