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DLB, Wanting is better than Having !!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dreadlk, Sep 5, 2009.

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  1. Sep 8, 2009 #101 of 713
    Stuart Sweet

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    I actually think this is a great conversation because it makes one thing clear... that no matter how you implement dual live buffers, someone will be unhappy. dreadlk says himself that his way is not the TiVo way, and for him his way would be better.

    I think we'd all like to live in a world where everything is exactly tailored for us. Personally I am constantly reminded that my world is one where compromise leads to the best outcome. For example, I don't terribly mind two extra button pushes to start DoublePlay, because I get two 90-minute buffers out of the deal.

    The great thing about this forum is we all get the chance to talk about our ideal situation, and DIRECTV uses this information (as well as other information) to improve the product.
     
  2. Sep 8, 2009 #102 of 713
    islesfan

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    Why not just use the Previous Channel button like TiVo does?
     
  3. Sep 8, 2009 #103 of 713
    Doug Brott

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    The TiVo uses {DOWN ARROW} also. On the HR2x, {PREV} allows you to toggle between up to 4 channels on each tuner allowing you to surf on one tuner using {PREV} while keeping the other tuner's buffer intact.

    Besides, {DOWN ARROW} toggles tuners while {PREV} toggles channels. They are not the same thing.
     
  4. Sep 8, 2009 #104 of 713
    Stuart Sweet

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    With DoublePlay, you have two independent previous channel lists, one for each buffer. You could argue that this is an improvement over other manufacturers' dual buffer implementations.

    (note: That's two posts that Doug's beat me to... I've got to try harder :))
     
  5. Sep 8, 2009 #105 of 713
    Syzygy

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    Already asked and answered. (I just didn't realize how many times!)

    The Previous key changes the channel but keeps you on the same tuner. Thus you end up with 4 (?) channels among which to switch.
     
  6. Sep 8, 2009 #106 of 713
    Jhon69

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    Because the DirecTV HDDVR+ and the new HD DirecTivo(coming in 2010) are going to be 2 different HDDVRs that are designed and maintained by 2 different companies the HDDVR+ is DirecTVs,the new HD DirecTivo is Tivos.;)
     
  7. Sep 8, 2009 #107 of 713
    RunnerFL

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    If you use the yellow button to bring up the previous channels it's more like 6 or 8 I believe.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2009 #108 of 713
    Drew2k

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    Each tuner will independently track the four most recently tuned channels so it's 8 total, counting both tuners.

    Putting it all together:

    DOWN toggles between the two tuners.

    PREV toggles between the two most recent channels on a single tuner.

    YELLOW then SELECT cycles between the 4 most recent channels on a single tuner. (The nice thing is the Options box stays open so the user can just continue to hit SELECT to cycle the channels on this tuner.)
     
  9. Sep 8, 2009 #109 of 713
    sigma1914

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    Are you sure? I haven't seen any info to confirm or deny that. For all we know, it could be a software update, much like Comcast does.
     
  10. Sep 8, 2009 #110 of 713
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    And this is also why I really like the DirecTV deal with TIVO to produce an HDDVR based on their software (and maybe hardware as well). So now sometime hopefully in the first months of 2010 those who chronically complain and are seemingly never satisfied with anything DirecTV has done with their in house DVRs since the appearance of the first R15 will have someplace else to turn.

    Then thereafter should they not be satisfied with DirecTV or TIVO's DVR implementations then they're simply beyond help and DirecTV satellite is just not for them and they need to move on to another service provider (dish, cable, etc.)
     
  11. Sep 8, 2009 #111 of 713
    Jon J

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    Can someone please briefly list the background functions DirecTV needs to be able to perform requiring the two-hour turnoff of DLB?

    Thanks.
     
  12. Sep 8, 2009 #112 of 713
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    No I don't care if it's not always on because I don't care what is buffering when I'm not watching TV. When I want to watch TV I turn it on when I want to use it.

    You're not describing DP or even DLB. This is made to watch 2 different channels at the same time. It's not made to cover you if you press a button wrong. It's made so you can swap tuners and watch different channels on each tuner. Changing the channel incorrectly would not help you with any system setup for DLB because it assumes you know how to manage your tuners. It doesn't automatically change one of the tuners to the new station. If I had show A on Tuner 1 and show b on Tuner 2 no matter if I did press a wrong button I would lose the buffer on one of those shows.

    Your CNN analogy is exactly what DP is. You toggle the tuner to the other tuner and have it on CNN. When you want to swap back to toggle back to the other tuner which is still on the original channel. The only difference is you think it should be the prev button instead of the down arrow.

    You seem to think that if it was always on it would save you. Well then turn it on when you start watching TV. You press down 2 times and you're done.

    Just out of curiosity how much time have you spent using this? The things you seem to want are already possible if you use it correctly. Other then pressing remote control buttons in error and the day a machine can stop humans from making any errors is a day to fear.
     
  13. Sep 8, 2009 #113 of 713
    Mike Bertelson

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    Other then what's already been posted, I'm not sure anyone can give you a complete list of functions for the background tuner. I suspect the major use is pushed content. I bet the majority of what it's used for is based on creating/maintaining a revenue stream (which would keep our costs down). Anything else might be speculation...I think. :grin:

    Mike
     
  14. Sep 8, 2009 #114 of 713
    Shades228

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    All of the known ones have been posted in this thread already.
     
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    Mike Bertelson

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    I would be guessing here but I suspect there will not be a huge difference in functionality. Being able to keep track of eight most recently accessed channels could be tough to beat anyway...IMO. :D

    Mike
     
  16. Sep 8, 2009 #116 of 713
    Doug Brott

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    Perhaps you could list the reasons on why it should be left on all of the time.
     
  17. Sep 8, 2009 #117 of 713
    Doug Brott

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    As for an answer to this question, check out posts #69 & #74 right here in this very thread.
     
  18. Sep 8, 2009 #118 of 713
    Jhon69

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    If it is the HDDVR will still be maintained by separate companies.Tivo service is to be a Premium HDDVR service fee meaning it's going to cost more than $6. monthly.;)
     
  19. Sep 8, 2009 #119 of 713
    Stuart Sweet

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    To be clear, I don't think anyone knows what cost the TiVo will have, initially or monthly. Also, we have a separate thread for the future TiVo product, this is not it. Please confine this thread to discussion of DoublePlay.
     
  20. Sep 8, 2009 #120 of 713
    whitepelican

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    I could give my answer to this. My wife does this with the Tivo nearly every night: Turns on TV, sees what show is currently on live TV, if she's not interested in that program, she then flips to the other tuner to see what show is already being buffered there. Very often this ends up with her rewinding back through the buffer to the start of that program to view the program in its entirety. Since most of our programs are recorded from only a handful of channels, it's likely that the background tuner will always be sitting there buffering a program from one of the channels we tend to watch often.
     
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