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Do I really need the 119 degree satellite?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bpratt, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. bpratt

    bpratt Godfather

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    Trees are beginning to block the 119 degree satellite, but do I really need it? Both of my HR21-700s have AM21s connected to them, so I don't need to receive local channels from satellite. The trees are very tall in my back yard and there is no way to get anything back there to trim them. The signal strengths on 101 and 110 are all above 94. The signal strengths on 99 and 103 are all above 82, so I know my dish is alligned properly. the signal strengths on the 119 satellite has now mostly dropped to the low 70s.

    My neighbor just had a new dish installed that does not have an lnb for 119. So do I really need to see that sattelite? Should I have the new dish installed?
     
  2. Scott Kocourek

    Scott Kocourek Well-Known Member

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    I believe you would have to change from the 5 lnb to the 3 lnb module. I don't think you can tell it to just ignore the two missing satellites.
     
  3. Go Beavs

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    If the OP is on a SWiM system, he can change the SAT setup to a Slimline3 dish and it should work. On a legacy system, you will lose guide data at some point if 119 is blocked. Changing the LNB to a SL3 is probably the best way to correct that.
     
  4. Scott Kocourek

    Scott Kocourek Well-Known Member

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    That's good to know, thanks!
     
  5. allenn

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    Is there a difference in the Dish or just the LNBs between a 5 and a 3?
     
  6. Beerstalker

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    Just LNBs.

    However, I thought that the SWM LNBs were smart enough that you can't tell it you have a SL3 instead of an SL5 like GoBeavs posted?
     
  7. allenn

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    Just curious. D* switched my LNB from 5 to 3 and did not change the dish or alignment. D* tech said I would loose the foreign language channels.
     
  8. JerryMeeker

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    Same here. I lost the channels in the 400-499 range (foreign language), and several music channels that I can do without. The dish remained the same, but the technician re-aligned the satellite (or checked its allignment, I should say).

    I made a list of the music channels on 119:

    SONIC 807 SonicTap: Rat Pack
    SONIC 815 SonicTap: Holidays & Happenings
    SONIC 824 SonicTap: Groove Lounge
    SONIC 852 SonicTap: Jazz
    SONIC 853 SonicTap: Metro Blend
    SONIC 855 SonicTap: Great Standards
    SONIC 861 SonicTap: PUMP!
    SONIC 865 SonicTap: Piano
    SONIC 870 SonicTap: Fiesta Tropical
    SONIC 873 SonicTap: Regional Mexican
    SONIC 876 SonicTap: Mariachi
    SONIC 877 SonicTap: Carnaval Brasileiro
    SONIC 880 SonicTap: Familiar Favorites
    SONIC 881 SonicTap: Italian Bistro Blend
    SONIC 882 SonicTap: Italian Contemporary
    SONIC 883 SonicTap: Irish
    SONIC 884 SonicTap: Tranquility
    SONIC 9560 SonicTap: Tranquility 9560
    SONIC 9561 SonicTap: Rat Pack 9561
    SONIC 9562 SonicTap: Great Standards 9562
    SONIC 9563 SonicTap: Groove Lounge 9563
    SONIC 9564 SonicTap: Familiar Fav. 9564
    SONIC 9565 SonicTap: Irish 9565
    SONIC 9566 SonicTap: PUMP! 9566
    SONIC 9567 SonicTap: Holidays 9567
    SONIC 9568 SonicTap: Metro Blend 9568
    SONIC 9569 SonicTap: Italian Bistro 9569
    SONIC 9572 SonicTap: Jazz 9572
    SONIC 9573 SonicTap: Italian Contemp 9573
    SONIC 9574 SonicTap: Piano 9574

    Other channels lost:

    219 NOW NOW Network
    366 JLTV Jewish Life TV
    368 HOPE Hope Channel
    401 Aqui AQUI Network
    403 UNIw Univision West
    405 MEGAHD Mega HD
    405 MEGA SBS Mega
    406 TELe Telemundo East
    407 TELw Telemundo West
    408 TFT Telefutura DNS
    408 TFTwHD Telefutura West HD
    409 TVZL TV Venezuela
    410 mun2 MUN2
    411 TLFI Telefe
    412 MEXI Mexicanal
    413 DSCE Discovery en Espanol
    414 WAPA WAPA
    415 RMTV Regional Music TV
    416 TVCO TV Colombia
    417 CARA Caracol TV
    418 NTN NTN Colombia
    419 CNNE CNN En Espanol
    420 MXTV TV Mexico
    421 *UTIL Fox Utilisima
    422 CIES Cine Estelar
    423 CILA Cine Latino
    424 CINO Cine Nostalgia
    425 FOXD FOX Deportes
    427 TYC TyC Sports
    428 CATV Centro America TV
    429 TLCN Telecentro
    430 LTV Latinoamerica Television
    431 PMTV Peru Magico
    432 ESPD ESPN Deportes
    433 FOOT Foot School TV
    434 DOMN TV Dominicana
    436 DFAM Discovery Familia
    437 TVCH TV Chile Int'l
    438 ECUA Ecuavisa
    439 PERU Canal Sur Peru
    440 V_Me V_Me
    441 AZA Azteca America DNS
    442 AZM Azteca Mexico
    443 HISE History en Espanol
    444 PASN Pasiones
    445 MTV3 MTV Tres
    446 MEX Mexico 22
    447 ONCE ONCE_TV
    448 ENLC Enlace
    449 HITN HITN
    450 TVB1 TVB1
    451 TVB2 TVB2
    452 TVBS TVBS
    453 TVBE TVB1 Entertainment
    454 CTV4 CCTV_4
    455 TSCV Tai Seng Entertainment
    460 TVE TVE Internacional
    511 HBOL HBO Latino
    577 BSN Anheuser Busch Private Network
    585 PTVE Playboy en Espanol Monthly Offer
    586 PTVE Playboy en Espanol
    624 FOXD FOX Deportes 624
     
  9. Go Beavs

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    I'm not certain of this as I don't have a SWiM LNB. The receiver may complain about having the wrong SAT setting if you try to change it.

    My main point was that when using a SWiM system, the guide data always comes from the 101 SAT, so blocking the 119 will not affect the guide. Changing the SAT setup will simply remove any channels in the guide that come off 119 and 110 SATs.
     
  10. P Smith

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    We discussed the issue, see here http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=3026052&postcount=10
    No guide coming from 110W sat !

    BTW, all HD boxes has 'hidden' additional legacy DSS tuner, dedicated to receive system info, EPG and such data; disadvantage of design the DTV boxes (not SWiM) is re-using same coax what is driven by user's request to play channels; so the hidden tuner should adapt to already selected sats; good thing is Ka sats not overlap old freqs 950-1450 MHz where the tuner is getting system data.
     
  11. bobnielsen

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    I've been doing that for a couple of years ever since the 110/119 connections on my sidecar LNB died.
     
  12. bpratt

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    I don't have a SWiM system. I have a 5 LNB slimline dish connected to a Zinwell WB68 Multi switch. I know that someday soon, the trees will make it impossible to see the 119 degree satellite, so I need to decide what action to take.
    If someday I might upgrade to a HR34, will I then need a SWiM dish? If I switch to a SWiM dish, will my HR10-250 still work? What happens to the Zinwell WB68 multi switch if I switch to SWiM, does it need to be replaced? Would the HR34 work if I just upgrade my existing dish with the Slimline3 LNB?
     
  13. Scott Kocourek

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  14. Mike Bertelson

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    The HR10 is not SWiM capable.

    Mike
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    The SWiMLNB "tells" the receiver what it is [3 or 5], while the SWM8 & -16 doesn't.
     
  16. Go Beavs

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    Ahh, thanks! So what you're saying is, with a SWiM LNB, you cannot change the dish type in the SAT setup, right?
     
  17. veryoldschool

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    Right, the option is grayed out.
     
  18. HoTat2

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    Though if the OP chooses to upgrade to SWiM by the external module approach it has legacy ports which will permit him to keep the HR10-250 in his setup.
     

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