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Do you have to talk to a CSR to "move"?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by tsmacro, May 4, 2006.

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  1. May 8, 2006 #101 of 389
    derwin0

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    I remember moving my father's huge OTA to rotate between Atlanta and Macon from his house in Flovilla (outside of Jackson).
    We were in the Atlanta market (cable carried both for the longest time, until an outfit in McDonough bought them out and dumped the Macon channels when the headend was moved to McDonough). For Dish Network my father only got Atlanta.
    The bad part was, Atlanta stations only focused on what they called the Atlanta Metro Area, which Butts County didn't seem to be considered part of. So our weather and local info was never reported.
    But the Macon channels would show reports from Jackson all the time, since they considered us as part of middle Georgia, but can't get the on Satellite. (Plus the Falcons were never blacked out on Macon television).

    Yet another blot against established DMA's and a reason Significantly Viewed needs to be implemented.
     
  2. May 8, 2006 #102 of 389
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    Sound like Prohibition!
     
  3. May 8, 2006 #103 of 389
    tsmacro

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    Well first of all anyone lying about their address to get other programming isn't actually breaking the law, violating their agreement with Dish, yes, breaking the law no. But if you're so sure they are law breakers call 911 and tell the police that you know someone who's lying about their address so they can get out of market programming and see if they actually do anything about it.


    Now as far "deserving" multiple locals, i'm not so sure i'd go so far as to say I deserve anything along those lines, but it sure would be nice if the rules were fair. I live where people can get signals from three different DMA's via antenna and cable, why should those with Satellite be punished with regulations that say you're only allowed to get tv from one DMA? Oh and as for me I actually haven't broken any rules......yet......but I am considering it. At this point I don't think I have to explain why again, i've done that several times over in this thread already. And yeah I understand there are quite a few people who think i'm wrong for thinking about it and talking about it. I get it, I haven't missed your point.
     
  4. May 8, 2006 #104 of 389
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    Yes, lying about your service address might not be illegal (punished by jail time) by it's probably unlawful (punished by civil penalties). Then again, the DMCA criminalized some activities that were once merely unlawful, so it may depend on interpretation. Is this a way to circumvent the encryption on OOM signals?

    Any way you look at it, I pass. I'm not morally outraged, but I'm not "moving".
     
  5. May 8, 2006 #105 of 389
    James Long

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    We shall not be 'moved'. :)
     
  6. May 8, 2006 #106 of 389
    sikma

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    BINGO!
     
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    TonyM

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    I figured that Sikma... :)
     
  8. May 8, 2006 #108 of 389
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    ALot of this goes back to what you could receive via OTA. Just because you are in one state, doesnt mean you are close enough to a town in your state that has its own tv stations to actually get them via OTA. Then theres also the issue of: "The cable co here offers the locals from XXXX, why cant I get it from the sat company?" And part of it is legislation that is outdated, and the other part is the cable co's lobby to keep from letting the sat companies offer it so they can be exclusive...

    SO the bottom line is, everyone needs to work a little to get the DMA's corrected where they are skewed, and also level the playing field...Lying about where you live gets nothing fixed or corrected, it just perpetuates the problem....not a good solution.....
     
  9. May 8, 2006 #109 of 389
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    The list they are using for SV is outdated as well, it only includes the big 4 stations in most cases. Cable usually offers much more, like UPN/WB affiliates, some independents, and PBS stations.
     
  10. May 8, 2006 #110 of 389
    James Long

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    The SV list is outdated. But it is up to the local stations to PROVE that they should be on the list, and their proof requires showing that they have a certain level of OTA coverage (not cable systems) in the area where they wish to claim to be SV.

    It's a mess. If I wrote the law I'd include all "Grade B" coverage areas as SV. But that isn't the law congress wrote.
     
  11. May 8, 2006 #111 of 389
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    nevermind
     
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    How do you propose to do this? I've sent e-mails, to the fcc, the local channels involved, Dish Network, multiple times. For the most part everyone has just ignored me, I get the distinct impression that no one cares. Well except when you actually request waivers from the "local channels" then they will repond with standard boilerplate response explaining why it's for everyone's own good that they don't allow them.:rolleyes:
     
  13. May 8, 2006 #113 of 389
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    Great so "local" channels can deny your waiver request even if you're at the edge their grade B contour. But the "local" channels that are just as close to me in another city aren't allowed to be SV unless I can get a grade A signal OTA? Wow gotta love them double standards. :nono:
     
  14. May 8, 2006 #114 of 389
    James Long

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    The SV rules have nothing to do with grade of signal. Stations qualify for SV through ratings - a count of people watching their station OTA in the area the station wishes to claim as SV.
     
  15. May 9, 2006 #115 of 389
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    Actually I guess I knew that!:lol: I just misinterpreted your other remark about allowing Grade B contours to be the standard for SV. I see that you were just saying that's the way it should be to make it simpler. Yeah they should make it simpler to be sure. Why not something like doing away with DMA's altogether and just make the rule that if you're within 50 miles(which is about the grade B contour in most cases) of a stations broadcast tower you get that station. Then on the other side of that if you're outside the 50 mile range for any particular station you then have the right to choose where you get that network programming from, that way you can do away with the waiver system as well. Just have one simple standard that applies across the board.
     
  16. May 9, 2006 #116 of 389
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    A friend of mine that lives in the eastern part of Illinois gets Indiana stations as locals but gets a Chicago station for ABC since there is no local ABC affiliate. The Chicago station has Illinois state news that applies to him a heck of alot more than Indiana's state news. He would rather just have all Illinois stations.

    Also another comment on these crazy DMA laws...I find it interesting that to get a waiver for a particular network some people are told they have to have one from their "local" network affiliate but then also have to get one from another station affiliated with that network that is considered to have a signal close to them. That makes no sense unless the subscriber has access to receive both of those network stations. Why should a station you cannot receive off air or via satellite in your local package be able to prevent you from getting a waiver??
     
  17. May 9, 2006 #117 of 389
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    The Fcc does not set up the DMAs. Neither do the providers.
     
  18. May 9, 2006 #118 of 389
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    There should be no such thing as a waver,
    it sounds like getting a permit from the local stations, like if they were your parents :nono:
     
  19. May 9, 2006 #119 of 389
    tsmacro

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    yes but they do use them to determine who gets what local programming.
     
  20. May 9, 2006 #120 of 389
    James Long

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    And congress told them to use DMAs. Would you like to blame Presidents Clinton and Bush for signing the laws? :)
     
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