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Does DTV Plan On Doing Any New Types Of Dishes?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by CraigerCSM, May 13, 2010.

  1. CraigerCSM

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    I know the new H/HR24 series are coming out soon but does DTV plan on any new dishes that would not go out during heavy downpours? We have signals in the upper 90's but during heavy downpours HD channels would go out for a few mins then come back on. I know the slimline is the latest one which we have but is their any new ones planed after that? Thanks.
     
  2. sigma1914

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    Maybe. You'll see it here if there was.
     
  3. jdspencer

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    I doubt that any new dish could completely eliminate "rain fade".
     
  4. CraigerCSM

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    Is HD going out for about five mins or so during heavy downpours normal?
     
  5. Jason Whiddon

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    The slimline and the original, IMHO, have always been very good for SS and hard rains. I just dont see them needing to improve, or go bigger. IMO, the Dish dishes have rain fade more often than the D* dishes.
     
  6. BattleZone

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    Even 10m dishes experience rain fade in extreme circumstances. Heck, Dish had uplink issues for a short time due to a super-heavy storm cell right over their ground station this past winter.

    DirecTV already makes larger dishes: the 1.2m Alaska/Hawaii dishes. The fact is that many customers already don't like the "large size" of the Slimline and want a smaller dish. Witness the folks who have tried to use the Triple-Sat dish with a Slimline LNB.

    The chances of them making a larger dish for general use is about zero. If they were going to do so, it would have been done long ago. A small fortune was spent working out exactly the right size dish, and that's the Slimline.
     
  7. BattleZone

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    Yes.
     
  8. CraigerCSM

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    I wish HD wasn't affected more by Rain fade. I am surprised with today's technology that their isn't a dish that would prevent that. I wonder if they could improve the KA/KU signals so that didn't happen? The signals we have are all in the 90's but I wonder if DTV could do something on their end? I guess this means DTV will never get rid of the SD and go all HD because of that?
     
  9. Doug Brott

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    You could always invest in one of these:


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  10. CraigerCSM

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  11. stephenC

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    Some HOAs limit dish size to 1m. I realize that doesn't affect everyone, just those that live in neighborhoods with active and strict HOAs.
     
  12. JoeTheDragon

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    Limit does not apply if a bigger dish is needed and no limits in AK and HI
     
  13. CraigerCSM

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    So bigger dishes prevented rain fade would that have included HD if the old bigger dishes did HD?
     
  14. joe diamond

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    It is more than that.

    The OTARD law (Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule) specifically cites 1 meter dishes. Important money was sent to Washington to get this done. The chance of a change is pretty low.

    Joe
     
  15. Justin23

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    OTARD only protects dishes that are "less than one meter (39.37") in diameter"....but no limit in Alaska. :eek2:
     
  16. hilmar2k

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    I haven't experienced any rain fade whatsoever since upgrading to SWM. SWM adds in some gain which seems to help.
     
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    This is a bit easier to peak
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  18. Kansas Zephyr

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    It isn't a HD versus SD issue.

    It's that the newer transponders, carrying most of the newer HD channels, are on higher frequencies.

    If D* put HD channels on the "older" transponders, and SD on the "newer" ones...then the SD channels would be more affected by rain fade.

    Again...the higher frequencies are more impacted. SD/HD...MPEG2/MPEG4 makes no difference.
     
  19. JosephB

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    Bottom line: no, there are no new dishes in the pipeline (other than future dishes that might be needed for BSS services) and yes it's normal for the signal to go out when it's pouring rain. in most cases when it's raining hard enough, a bigger dish probably wouldn't help. water attenuates the signal pretty badly.
     
  20. BattleZone

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    Ka-band frequencies are what are usually referred to as "microwaves." As in, around the same frequencies you'd find in a microwave oven.

    A microwave oven works by using radio waves to excite the water molecules in food, by converting that radio energy into heat. The exact same thing happens to the sat signals when they have to penetrate heavy cloud cover: the energy gets converted to heat, reducing the strength of the signal that arrives at your dish. With enough moisture in the air, it wouldn't matter how big your dish was; you'd still not have enough for a good signal.
     

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