I don't pay much attention to the 'support' forums, but just a quick look around there and I am appalled and disgusted with some of you bitchers and moaners. The amount of abuse that some of you are heaping on Mark, Allen and Ron (the messengers) is awful. Reporting of bugs is one thing, but complaining and personally attacking DBSTalk staff members because your DishNetwork gear doesn't work properly is unacceptable and will no longer be tolerated. If you just want to bitch at someone, go to the horse's mouth and leave our hard-working volunteer staff alone. email@example.com www.dishetwork.com 1-800-333-DISH Footnote to DBSTalk.com product support staff: You do not have to defend or try to justify these defective products or DishNetwork itself. That is not your job. If it's a POS, feel free to say "It's a POS!"