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"Don't touch my junk!"

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    Apparently chivalry is not dead;

    "Women in tight skirts that don't allow an agent to feel the thigh area may be asked to remove the skirt in a private screening area and will be given a gown or towel to put on."
     
  2. Lee L

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    I was wondering, are they changing the gloves after each pat down?
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

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    The ride downhill to the bottom and below is a short one when the thread starts at the bottom... :D:lol:

    I'll be on 4 flights in the next 12 days....now I have something to look forward to...WOO HOO.

    Pick me....pick me...
     
  4. klang

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    Do you own a kilt? Might have a little fun with one. :lol:
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

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    Not in a million years sir.

    I'm looking to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. :D
     
  6. BattleScott

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  8. Cholly

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    I don't know about other airports, but the "Opt Out" protests fizzled at Charlotte Douglas Airport, which is USAirways' biggest hub.
     
  9. James Long

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    The promoter of the Opt Out campaign was on CNN yesterday claiming it was a success ... because it got people talking.

    There were scattered protests but as Dr Sanjay Gupta said (hosting Anderson Cooper's show last night) ... people are not going to protest in a way that only hurts themselves.

    Non-passengers would be more likely to cause a problem, but with the "ticketed passengers only" rules at most airports going through security isn't an option.
     
  10. fluffybear

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    And we all know how well profiling would be received. The first time a white TSA agent stopped an African-American (even if the man had underwear made of C-4), we would have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screaming how the system is racist.
    No system is perfect and there is always going to be someone who does not like what is going on. Had this system been available prior to 9/11, people would be in the streets (after 9/11) screaming and wanting to know why it has not been in our airports sooner.
     
  11. The Merg

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    Exactly my point from before. I remember a case in Circuit Court on an appeal of a traffic charge for Disregarding a Stop Sign. The guy accused the officer of stopping him because he was black. The officer stated that he was three cars back (the stop sign was on a downslope so easy to see) and it was at 9pm in the winter (IOW, dark). The officer testified that they did not have any idea who was driving until they walked up to the car after the stop.

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  12. fluffybear

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    Mrs. Fluffybear and I were speaking with someone at church a few weeks back who was upset that he got a ticket for speeding in a school zone. The gentleman was screaming that he see's people going through that school zone much faster and the only reason he was stopped is because he's 'a yankee'. Mrs. Fluffybear promptly asked how long he lived in Georgia and was told it will be 4 years this coming March. Mrs. Fluffybear then asked if he had Georgia plates on the car and the answer was Yes. Mrs. Fluffybear naturally asked how the cop knew he was 'a yankee' and the gentleman replied, "he just did". There was no profiling in this case (just some idiot driving 10+ miles over the speed limit in a school zone) but yet this gentleman had no problem claiming he was profiled and targeted all because he use to live in Wisconsin.
     
  13. James Long

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    I would not expect white vs black profiling to be as much of an issue as ethnic profiling. An Arabic accent would be the "red flag" and despite the overwhelming number of terrorists who have been Arabic stopping a person BECAUSE they appear Arabic would be a problem. There would likely be a push to stop just as many people who didn't appear Arabic just to balance it out and appear "fair". A little reverse discrimination.

    BTW: What happens after a traffic stop varies. The police officer may not know who they were pulling over before the stop, but once contact is made the outcome ranges from verbal warnings to arrest. Sometimes that is where the bias is introduced.
     
  14. Drucifer

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    The problem with profiling is there is a certain amount of intelligence required by the profiler. TSA agents are not hire for their intelligence.
     
  15. The Merg

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    That may be, but in this case it wasn't. The defendant directly told the judge that the ONLY reason they were stopped in the first place was because he was black.

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  16. James Long

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    But being a defendant he had a bigger problem than just being pulled over ... he got a ticket. If he had received a verbal warning being pulled over would not have been much of an issue.


    My comment wasn't intended to be specific to that one case ... it was only intended to note that being blindly selected does not eliminate any chance for bias to enter the picture. Even if screeners picked their victims, er targets, for enhanced patdowns at random (perhaps by looking up and seeing who was closest to a mark on the floor at any given moment) how invasive they get may vary.
     
  17. fluffybear

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    No they are not but then again we do not pay them for it either.

    There is no reason we can not properly train these people to handle the job of profiler. Send them off for a 3 or 4 month training course with periodic refresher courses (4 to 6 weeks) as they do for other federal officers and we would be just fine. However, the public would screaming about money wasted as soon as some tree-hugging federal judge issues an injunction declaring profiling to be a violation of civil rights.
     
  18. James Long

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    Other federal officers are more qualified before they are hired. While some of the GEDs (or less) who could work for TSA might get the hang of profiling, they're not walking on to the job with training and screening. With all due respect to those agents who are educated, the TSA is only as good as the weakest link.
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

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    After being up most of the night for the Black Friday "festivities" at a local retailer (to lend morale support to the Mrs who had to work as a vendor supplier in one)...

    I now know that "don't touch my junk" really pertains to the door-buster shopping frenzy on Black Friday. :D
     
  20. fluffybear

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    In most cases I will agree but I will also contend that they are compensated for those qualifications.

    I believe all TSO's must have at least GED. A number of TSO Officers are double dippers (individuals collecting a pension from another govt. agency/military) and are given preference.


    With all due respect, isn't that the same with any job?
     

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