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Driving with electronic device

Discussion in 'The OT' started by kevinturcotte, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. May 1, 2012 #181 of 384
    hdtvfan0001

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    Alan Gordon

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    I don't think I'm in denial at all...

    I fully support any laws against texting while driving. I just feel that TALKING should be on a case by case basis.

    In the case of an accident (fatal or not), and it was due to negligent driving involving a cell phone, I think a charge is fair, but to make it illegal for those who have the good sense to know WHEN it's not appropriate is ridiculous.

    I'm aware of your geographic location, and I can understand why it might be more dangerous in your area of the woods, but where I live, there are areas where you might have a single car pass you on some roads... if that. Do you truly believe that it would be significantly more dangerous for a motorist to use a cell phone on those roads?

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  3. May 1, 2012 #183 of 384
    Alan Gordon

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    :eek2:

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    Davenlr

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    Folks, that is $15,410,444

    Now, we know its not about safety is it? Poppy needs a new police cruiser with a console mounted laptop, and several radios.
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    WOW....just WOW. :rolleyes:
     
  6. May 1, 2012 #186 of 384
    Davenlr

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    Yea, I am about personal responsibility, not a nanny state. Sorry.
     
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    Alan Gordon

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    If everybody believed in personal responsibility, there'd be nothing wrong with that! :(

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    Stewart Vernon

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    It seems nebulous at best (referring to the article about New Jersey above) to conclude that anything is "working" because citations are down.

    Are they actively trying to cite cellphone users in New Jersey as much now as they did when they first enacted the ban? Maybe users have become more able to hide the activity from the police.

    Also, curiously, the article only quoted a drop in citations... nothing about any drop in accidents or fatalities since the cellphone ban. My gut says they didn't mention that correlation because they couldn't find one.

    Note too that the PA ban will take place just in time for their expected tourist rush (noted in the article) so it will be prime-time to ticket people new to PA who won't know about the new law. How are people who don't live in an area supposed to find out about such things anyway?

    I wondered about that because Chapel Hill, NC (a nearby city) recently passed a ban to go into effect this June. I wonder how people only familiar with that city because they pass through it on the way to somewhere else would be expected to know that particular local ban.

    I agree, incidentally, with a ban on texting. It is so stupid that anyone would be trying to type on anything while driving... so I guess some stupid things do need to be pointed out to people... so that ban is ok with me... but it too is already covered by existing laws.
     
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    kevinturcotte

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    BattleScott

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    Move along, nothing to see here. You don't need to see these numbers...
     
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    James Long

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    Signs at the state line or city limits help. They can pay for the signs out of the fines. :)
     
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    dpeters11

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    I'd be surprised if the Chapel Hill law would be enforced, at least without there being an accident. The cops would not want to deal with the verifications.
     
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    armophob

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    Down here I have not paid a ticket in 20 years. Ticket Clinic has taken the money plus court costs. And if I should ever get another they will again.
    My company requires the seatbelt and no cell for the job. I get that, but off the clock in my truck I am beltless and fancy phone free.

     
  14. May 2, 2012 #194 of 384
    hdtvfan0001

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    We're actually looking for the same thing.

    However, what has been proven over time in the real world (even in this thread) is that the feasibility of most people taking this life-and-death responsibility seriously and consistently on this matter is highly unlikely.

    So Nanny may need the ability to slap hands for those who are naughty.
     
  15. May 2, 2012 #195 of 384
    MysteryMan

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    +1......Look at the way the design of a car's dash board has changed. When I was sixteen the high beam/low beam control button was on the floor and high and to the left of the driver's foot. The windshield wiper control button was located in various places on the dash board. Sometimes to the left of the steering wheel, sometimes to the right of it. Climate control system was low and to the driver's right. Car radio was centered and to the driver's right. Right side mirrors were not standard, causing the driver more time to check the blind side. Dashboard guages were not always visible through the steering wheel causing the driver to look over and around. Now look at the way car's are designed. High beam control is on the turn signal. Windshield wiper control is on the right of the steering wheel. Climate control and car radio are closer to the driver and more easiy reached. Right side mirrors are now standard. Dashboard guages are easily readable. These changes were made to "minimize" the amount of time the driver needs to take his eyes off the road. What sense does it make to allow careless people to use a device that will distract them from their driving?
     
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    trh

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    Parts of an article from this Link

     
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    Herdfan

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    So do we ban these older cars from the road? Clearly they can present a distraction.

    My point is "Where does it stop?"
     
  18. May 2, 2012 #198 of 384
    hdtvfan0001

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    OK - So I guess my 2 takeaways from this thread are:

    1) There is no law, no process, or no posts that can guaranty that some people will do stupid things by choice.

    2) Some people will defend the right to do stupid things regardless of any evidence, statistics, or other sound reasons why they shouldn't.

    My only hope is they don't harm anyone else in the process, which unfortunately today, is not the case.
     
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    Chris Blount

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    That's a loaded statment right there and probably a whole other thread. We all do stupid things every day (like eating fatty foods) but we don't necessarily want laws passed against eating them.

    It's easy to turn away and let laws pass on things we don't care much about but sooner or later the government will wave their magic finger and touch something you do care about. That will be the day you will catch yourself defending something "stupid".
     
  20. May 2, 2012 #200 of 384
    hdtvfan0001

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    Perhaps....but its a term I didn't introduce...and there have even been TV series made to illustrate those same kinds of conditions. In this case... there have been point and counterpoint posts to illustrate it.

    So those takeaways are "wisdom" I've obtained in this thread upon moving on.
     

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