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DTV Activated Double Play

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by saucony, Aug 22, 2009.

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  1. Aug 24, 2009 #61 of 351
    seymouru

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    From a user perspective, the HR boxes and the TiVo's seem to operate in a similar way. But as users, we only see the features, not the technology behind them. What we do know is that the design of the HR boxes is much more sophisticated than the TiVo's, so it's not really "apples-to-apples" when you compare the way features are implemented across the two platforms.
     
  2. Aug 24, 2009 #62 of 351
    Hoosier205

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    It wasn't until I read this post that I actually understood how I might benefit from this feature.
     
  3. Aug 24, 2009 #63 of 351
    RCY

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    Someone equated DP and DLB, I pointed out the differences. After congratulating the D* and CE team...
     
  4. Aug 24, 2009 #64 of 351
    Jon J

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    From the video it appears to be quite significantly slower than a TiVo unit in switching buffers. I assume it has to do with the extra things that DirecTV does with its DVRs versus TiVo...program downloads, etc. I am a frequent user of the DLB feature on my three DirecTiVos and the differences in how the feature is implemented will require some adjustment but the addition of the feature itself is most welcome. ;)
     
  5. Aug 24, 2009 #65 of 351
    richlife

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    Hmmm. I know that the DoublePlay issues were discussed to death in the CE forum, but I wonder if DirecTV could add an option to automatically start DLB at a certain time during the day. I'm not suggesting multiple time, more like a daily alarm. This would allow those of us who get up and want DP for the morning news, or the evening sports programs, etc. to have at least an option to get one aspect of this missing "nice to have".
     
  6. Aug 24, 2009 #66 of 351
    Doug Brott

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    They already have that feature .. it's called "schedule the recording." :)
     
  7. Aug 24, 2009 #67 of 351
    Doug Brott

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    Actually, the slowness is more due to my TV than the HR2x. I have Native set to "ON" and the programs were swapped from 1080i to 480p to 720p .. It's all the format swapping that caused the delay. I have a monitor set up in my study that is fixed @ 720p and the swap is much more snappy.

    Remember, the TiVo never swapped to the original program format .. Even the HD version was fixed on a format if IIRC. I prefer getting the proper format and as a result suffer on some of the transition time because my TV set takes time to sync. The new DIRECTV TiVo (assuming it allows the format to automatically sync) will have this same issue.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2009 #68 of 351
    billsharpe

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    One keystroke is a complex way? :confused:
     
  9. Aug 24, 2009 #69 of 351
    Jon J

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    This expanded explanation makes me feel much better. Eagerly awaiting the NR. ;)
     
  10. Aug 24, 2009 #70 of 351
    DogLover

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    Just swap to whichever tuner you want to change (using the down arrow), and change the channel in any way that you would have previously.
     
  11. Aug 24, 2009 #71 of 351
    Drew2k

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    The really simple way to understand DoublePlay is to think that have two standalone DVRs suddenly. There are two tuners in the DVR, and prior to DoublePlay *(DP), you could never directly access the background tuner, you only had control of the foreground tuner. (The foreground tuner is what you are watching now.)

    On the foreground (FG) tuner you can change channels by keying in a number on the remote or going to the guide and pressing SELECT on a program on now. You can use PREV to switch between the two most recent channels you accessed on the FG tuner, or use YELLOW > Previous Channels to switch between the four most recent channels you accessed on the FG tuner.

    Now with DoublePlay ... double that!

    You can continue to change channels and switch between previous channels on the FG tuner, but now you can do the exact same thing on the background (BG) tuner, simply by pressing DOWN to launch DoubePlay and swapping tuners: the BG tuner becomes the FG tuner. Now you are on a completely different set of channels than you were previously, and you can change channels, use Prev, etc., and not impact what you have on the other tuner.

    Example:

    FG channel = 202, CNN
    Key in 206 ESPN
    Key in 209 ESPN2
    Press PREV, you switch from 209 to 206
    Your FG tuner is on 206, ESPN

    Press DOWN twice to launch DoublePlay and swap tuners

    It may start on 201, the Customer Channel
    Key in 501, HBO
    Key in 537, SHO
    Press PREV and you switch from 537 to 501
    The tuner is now on 501, HBO

    Press DOWN to swap tuners

    You are returned to 206, ESPN and have up to 90 minutes in the buffer
    You can press PREV here and switch from 206 back to 209. (Buffering restarts, because you changed channels.)

    If you press YELLOW and select Previous Channels, you will see 206, 209, 202 ... but not 501 and not 537, because those were not tuned on THIS tuner.

    Press DOWN to swap tuners.

    You are returned to HBO and can use PREV to switch to SHO, or press YELLOW and look at your recent channels. You won't see 206, 209, and 202 because you didn't tune to them on THIS tuner.

    So in essence you have TWO active DVRs for buffering live channels and can swap between tuners by pressing DOWN.

    Sweet, eh? :)
     
  12. Aug 24, 2009 #72 of 351
    BattleScott

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    The biggest difference that I see is that DoublePlay (I really don't think we should adopt DP as the acronym for this :)) is active on whatever channels the tuners are tuned to. For example, if T1 is on CH-A and T2 is on CH-B , then you can toggle back and forth between them. If you decide that CH-B isn't worth it and switch to CH-C then you would be toggling between CH-A and CH-C. To accomplish this using the previous work-around of recording 2 channels would require many more keystrokes and the hassle of starting and stopping recordings.
     
  13. Aug 24, 2009 #73 of 351
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  14. Aug 24, 2009 #74 of 351
    Drew2k

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    One other TiVo comparison: On the TiVo box, if you went to the beginning of the buffer (a whole 30 minutes back) and left it there and swapped tuners, when you returned TiVo would have brought you back to live TV - it doesn't remember where you are unless you pause the buffer.

    With DoublePlay, if you go back 90 minutes and leave it unpaused, when you swap tuners away and then return, you will STILL be 90 minutes behind real-time. When you don't pause a tuner, your relative position is remembered and the buffer you can't see will still play in real-time behind the scenes.

    Overall I think DoublePlay has more flexibility than TiVo because of this ...
     
  15. Aug 24, 2009 #75 of 351
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    Doug - I know it may be a pain, but maybe it would be worthwhile to replace your video with one with native off. That would hopefully quell the comments/complaints you seem to be getting about speed from users who are not abreast to the native feature.

    On a side note, this feature now makes the HR2x fully and completely better then my old HR10-250 in my opinion.

    Bravo DirecTV and the awesome CE group.

    Now about that HD GUI...
     
  16. Aug 24, 2009 #76 of 351
    idigg

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    Where is my HD GUI and MRwhatchmacallit? :)
     
  17. Aug 24, 2009 #77 of 351
    Doug Brott

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    You're probably right .. I'm going from memory on this one .. It's whatever format Channel 201 is in. That's kinda the point of Native == On, I don't think about it, I let the TV and the receiver do the talking and give me the result. If you fix the format (say to 1080i ONLY) and turn Native == Off, then changing channels will be faster as the format will always be the same with respect to your TV (either upconverted or passed through depending on programming).
     
  18. Aug 24, 2009 #78 of 351
    Jon J

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    All three of my DirecTiVos must have different software versions than you because all mine maintain wherever they are in the buffer if I switch channels.
     
  19. Aug 24, 2009 #79 of 351
    DogLover

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    But aren't they positioned at the "end" of the buffer at live TV? So that you have to rewind if you want to see that buffer?

    With DP, if you don't hit pause, it will "play in realtime" while you are watching the other tuner, and still be behind in the buffer.

    This is an advantage if you are just going over to the other tuner for a minute during a commercial. You don't have to remember to pause the buffer. Just switch tuners, watch for a minute, then come back continue watching close to where you left off.
     
  20. Aug 24, 2009 #80 of 351
    Milkman

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    Your post didn't come across as someone that was pointing out the differences. If so, where was your comparison of 90 minutes vs. 30 minutes??? You didn't mention the good, only your perceived bad.
     
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