And as I mentioned before, and I realize this is a rare occurrence, I was charged a non-return fee for a receiver still active on my account. There are enough exceptions, variations and confusion it would be tough for anyone to state definitively what the right course of action would be. !rolling What does DirecTV know, when did they know it, and did they know they knew it ?? Still, I've been with them since 97 and I'll never get rid of them.