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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

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  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Dec 8, 2007 #2041 of 2967
    crmlht00

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    Getting the signal to the box is one thing, being able to work with it is another.

    And no, that is not a reason why there isn't DLB[/QUOTE]

    Because (DirecTV does not care what the masses (poll proves it) want and they go out of their way to deny us what we want

    OR

    The backwards hints Earl has been dropping (by what he has said, what he has not said & ways the phrases he uses when answers people ...)

    that 3 live buffers is coming on an HR22 or later DVR (or a renamed DVR platform) or DUAL will come in a dvr not called he plus line.



    IF none of the above is true, then it proves DirecTV does not want to give us what we want on a dvr

    and especially since they are beginning to trounce cable and Echostar, that becomes even scarier,

    because if they become super dominate, they are even less apt to care what we want and will only give us what they think want us to have.
     
  2. Dec 8, 2007 #2042 of 2967
    crmlht00

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    nobody cares it not there ? are you insane, you must be blind
     
  3. Dec 8, 2007 #2043 of 2967
    crmlht00

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    Getting the signal to the box is one thing, being able to work with it is another.

    And no, that is not a reason why there isn't DLB[/QUOTE]

    Because (DirecTV does not care what the masses (poll proves it) want and they go out of their way to deny us what we want

    OR

    The backwards hints Earl has been dropping (by what he has said, what he has not said & ways the phrases he uses when answers people ...)

    that 3 live buffers is coming on an HR22 or later DVR (or a renamed DVR platform) or DUAL will come in a dvr not called he plus line.



    IF none of the above is true, then it proves DirecTV does not want to give us what we want on a dvr

    and especially since they are beginning to trounce cable and Echostar, that becomes even scarier,

    because if they become super dominate, they are even less apt to care what we want and will only give us what they think want us to have.
     
  4. Dec 8, 2007 #2044 of 2967
    boltjames

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    That's an unfair generalization on many levels.

    First, this theory of "giving us what we want". You need to look at the "us" and the "we" very carefully. There are millions of D* subscribers. I see a fraction of a fraction posting and reposting using some internet poll as a flag to wave. I see no mass outrage, I see no online movement, I see no blogs, I see no news articles.

    Next, DLB was a so-called 'feature' on the HR10 for years and barely anyone knew it was there. That 2% that did know it was there, well, looks like some of you loved it. But the other 98% don't miss it because they never used it.

    Lastly, you need to look at the wins and losses here, big picture. You'll see that for the one feature that you perceive you lost (DLB) there are about a dozen fefatures that you gained (native mode, stop button, one-touch-record, back button, etc.). On the whole, the 'loss' of this one feature is offset in droves by other features. Saying that D* is becoming too big for itself and is making a substandard product to cater to the masses might be a good thesis if all these other incremental feature wins didn't exist. They do. Proving D* cares. Cares about the important things, not the insignificant ones.

    BJ
     
  5. Dec 8, 2007 #2045 of 2967
    boltjames

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    Lose the personal attacks. We don't want this thread closed.

    There are millions of D* users and this matters to a very small fraction. You need no further proof than this:

    1. The feature was on the HR10 and was deliberately left off the HR20. Why?

    2. D* knows that some people want this feature, yet they are not even thinking of adding it back in. Why?

    3. D* is working constantly on upgrading their product and have added or improved dozens of features that weren't available on the HR10, DLB not being one of them. Why?

    Remember that old saying "if it walks like a duck and talks like duck, then it's a duck"? What you see is company that cares passionately about making the gold-standard DVR for its customers, yet they don't care at all about DLB. It's a "duck".

    BJ
     
  6. Dec 8, 2007 #2046 of 2967
    crmlht00

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    wrong, the reason their is no mass outarge of the generla directv users, is because 99.9% of directv users and the public at large are sheep.

    they do whatever someone tells them to do and do not complain and do not press an issue about lack of features or whenever they get cheated

    you notice directv went to this board to improve the dvd, and if they cared what we wanted, they'd add dlb or similar feature (notice they went to the slim majority of directv subscribers to fix the dvr for the other masses, and that slim amount also want LB, yet directv balks, proving they do not care what we want in extra features, (they stuff they have added cause of this forum has not been "features" but added nuances to existing things on the dvr

    a major difference ... i have a feeling the suer small miority within the minority of who is on this board have got directv's ear and made them think we do not want DLb despite how the vote has gone,

    in otherwords a few here has wrongly decided for the masses, and we get cheated
     
  7. Dec 8, 2007 #2047 of 2967
    crmlht00

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    it was not a personal attack, it was stating a fact based on your belief you posted, i never insulted you in general, just wondered where your mind was about the 1 specific thing you posted

    if you notice, yes they have added features that were not on the hr10 (the ones they would noy allow tivo to add to it) for the dvr+ , and have ignored tremendous functionality the hr10 has, a real search capability, a real saved list etc /////

    and the dvr+ lacks real parental controls, no way for us to block out ANY channel we decide from being punched in manually on remote
     
  8. Dec 8, 2007 #2048 of 2967
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    That's the simple question I would like answered - WHY?

    Why not have DLB?

    WHY?
     
  9. Dec 8, 2007 #2049 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    1) The poll doesn't prove that... all it proves is that a population of the user set, that frequents this forum... wants DLB... It does not "prove" the masses want it.

    And actually they are not going out of their way at all, to not include something that was never there.....

    2) There is no "tripple" tuner HR22 on the horizon... or as far as I know even remotely planned.
     
  10. Dec 8, 2007 #2050 of 2967
    Lord Vader

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    bolt, your sanctimony and illogical generalizations and assumptions are what led to the responses that got this thread temporarily closed. I'd suggest you remove yourself from this thread permemently, for you are a lone voice in a vast wilderness.
     
  11. Dec 8, 2007 #2051 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    Because that have chosen NOT to include DLB... that it..
    That is the WHY...

    As for "WHY" that was there decision... Well.. that answer can't be given.
     
  12. Dec 8, 2007 #2052 of 2967
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    Exactly my point. "No one cares". Right?

    The HR10 was originally $999.00 for the very wealthy tech customer. No different than Motorola's Startac back in the day. The HR20 is a different animal, a "free" DVR for Mr. & Mrs. Camry.

    The HR20 is designed to get D* millions and millions more consumers and to be rock solid so as to not need replacing or experience costly housecalls. Somewhere on some whiteboard in D* headquarters, they looked at user data and telephone polls and came to the conclusion that Mr. & Mrs. Camry want faster guides, easier recording, bigger fonts, simple by-event menus, and better picture quality.

    D*'s DVR isn't a wealthy man's plaything anymore. It's a mass product to take D* to the next level. My Startac had a couple of fun features that my KRZR lacks, but on the whole, my KRZR is a far better phone. You lose 1 measely thing, you pick up 20 better things. Evolution.

    Instead of going round in circles all weekend, please, see the forest through the trees: D* can execute DLB and chose not to. If it were important, it would be there. It's not there. Therefore, it's not important.

    BJ
     
  13. Dec 8, 2007 #2053 of 2967
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    No, quite the opposite.

    I am the lone rational voice in a sea of emotional lobbying. Besides, this thread dies every time I leave it and I'm actually helping bring attention to your cause by being the voice of reason and getting dialog flowing.

    Yes, some of my supportive theories may not have been on the mark (advertising pressure around commercials, processor strain, etc.) but big-picture my thesis cannot be denied:

    No one cares except for a few power-users who have found their way to this forum. If there was mass outrage or a legitimate push for this feature, D* would have acted upon it already. They haven't. That should answer your question.

    BJ
     
  14. Dec 8, 2007 #2054 of 2967
    looter

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    If you believe your own b.s. leave and let it die.

    "Rational voice" is not what I would describe here.

    Don't care for DLB=don't post in the thread.
     
  15. Dec 8, 2007 #2055 of 2967
    boltjames

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    That's not in the spirit of community that DBS is known for. I'll start a thread entitled "Sony HDTV's Are The Best And If You Don't Own One You Suck". Let's see how far that gets me. I adore the HR20 and feel compelled to defend it when it's being wronged. That's no crime.

    This isn't The Dual Buffer Fan Club. It's a discussion forum. I'm not being rude or obnoxious. I'm just speaking the truth which, apparently, you don't want to hear. I'm sorry for that just like I'm sorry that you cannot accept the two dozen new innovations in the HR20 as a good tradeoff to the loss of the one feature you miss.

    BJ
     
  16. Dec 8, 2007 #2056 of 2967
    TheRatPatrol

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    I thought with E* boxes you could record 3 things at once, 2 sat, and 1 OTA?

    Thanks
     
  17. Dec 8, 2007 #2057 of 2967
    Rich

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    This is like having Herpes, it just keeps coming back. I thought you put this to rest.

    Rich
     
  18. Dec 8, 2007 #2058 of 2967
    Tom Robertson

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    There are other logical states beyond: 1) DIRECTV doesn't listen to us or 2) DIRECTV doesn't want the feature, yada yada.

    How about another option (the one they tell me, and I believe them): DIRECTV believes they have features more people will want even more and even sooner than DLB? (That still leaves DLB on the "eventual" roadmap, just farther down the road, btw, tho that is my hope, not something that has been said.)

    Product Management is an interesting combination of marketing, research, and gut feel, innovation, and education. I do wish for DLB, very much as is likely noticable. :)

    I'm interested in the other features coming down the road too. :)

    Happy Holidays!
    Tom
     
  19. Dec 8, 2007 #2059 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    I was referring to DirecTV products.
     
  20. Dec 8, 2007 #2060 of 2967
    Lord Vader

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    Hardly. I call it delusions of grandeur.
     
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