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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

    94.1%
  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Aug 9, 2007 #1201 of 2967
    tiger2005

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    I guess I'm one of the lucky few that has an option other than Comcast. With D*'s continued inability to implement DLB, I feel as if I'll be moving to FiOS when they go live before the year is out. D*'s 'future lead' in the HD channel realm will be short-lived so I don't feel that is a large enough reason for me to stay. DLB AND HD are where its at in my house. If D* wants me to stay on as a customer, those are my requirements. If not, my $$$ go elsewhere. Just my two cents...
     
  2. Aug 9, 2007 #1202 of 2967
    MikeR7

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    :wave:Bye Bye
     
  3. Aug 9, 2007 #1203 of 2967
    sjso395

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    :beatdeadhorse: The poll on the 1st page speaks for itself. Over 1600 people for DLB. If D* still ignores that and chooses to pursue other things, that tells me that they dont have customers in their priorities and wish to do their own things they feel are neccesary. I'm not leaving just yet, but I am definetly taking a wait and see approach. :mad:
     
  4. Aug 9, 2007 #1204 of 2967
    mtnagel

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    I don't do it quite like the tips and tricks guide so this is what I do:

    1. Record both programs
    2. Hit LIST and scroll to the one you want to watch first and press PLAY (since they are both recording, one will be the first listing and the other will be the second).
    3. When you want to switch, hit STOP - this will bring you back to the list with the recording you were just watching highlighted.
    4. Depending on which you were just watching, either move up or down one to highlight the other program and press PLAY.
    5. To switch, goto 3.

    Or you can use PAUSE and LIST. I find this to be better when you are switching between two things that you don't want to be spoiled (like sports) because it will pause the picture in list. With STOP, the picture in list shows one of the recordings at live.

    So, with Tivo, you still have to get the 2 channels set up and buffering, so that's similar to setting up the recordings. So ignoring the setup, to switch with tivo, you always have to use pause then down arrow (2 presses). To switch with the HR20, you can use STOP, move highlighting up or down, then PLAY (3 presses). Or, using the PAUSE then LIST, it's either 3 or 4 presses depending on if you are switching between the first or second recording in your list.

    Again, I realize this only works when you want to jump between 2 shows and you have the space to record. No, it's not exactly the same as a Tivo, but it works.
     
  5. Aug 9, 2007 #1205 of 2967
    bonscott87

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    Matt, once you get your two recordings going and you have watched each one for a few seconds, to switch between then can't you just hit the PREV button?
     
  6. Aug 9, 2007 #1206 of 2967
    Gill Bates

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    I currently have two recordings in progress as I write this and tried your method of using the stop button and that jumped me to the show description page with one of the games running in the tattle-tale window and the audio blabbing the current score several innings ahead of where I was watching. So that doesn’t work for me. My box is a -700, are our boxes different?

    The pause-list-toggle-play sequence does work and may be a viable work around for me.

    Thanks for the suggestions and I’ll see how it goes this fall.
     
  7. Aug 9, 2007 #1207 of 2967
    Gill Bates

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    Scott,

    I tried the previous button after I got the pause-list-toggle-play sequence going and all it did was bounce me out to live TV.
     
  8. mtnagel

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    I never could get the previous button to work. If you can, give me exact steps to reproduce and I'll try it.

    The reason it didn't work in the first paragraph was that you must have highlighted the show and pressed SELECT (and then SELECT on the "play" listing) to start playing the recording. You should highlight the show and pres PLAY, not SELECT. I assume you can do it with SELECT (though I never do it that way), but I guess it's 1 more click. As long as you do that (use the PLAY button), you can use the STOP button, but then you get the tattle tale window (I LOVE that name BTW). With the pause-list-toggle-play sequence as you call it, that should pause the picture in list so you don't get spoiled.
     
  9. upgrade-itis

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    I've had the box for a week and I miss the DLB's. Other than that a good unit. The RF I'm using on the second HR20-100 unit is lousy.
     
  10. Earl Bonovich

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    Did you install the antenna on the HR20-100 ?
     
  11. fasTLane

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    I thought that the HR20 is incapable of two live buffers like the Tivo even if they wanted to offer it. Is this true?
     
  12. bonscott87

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    I've only tried it once to test in a CE but from what I remember I did (and from posts I've seen others do) is that you pull up the list and play your first program.
    Pause.
    Pull up list and play your second program.
    Pause.
    Now hit PREV and it will switch between the two.

    Like I said, I only did it once and didn't think it was that big of a deal. Maybe it doesn't work anymore or whatnot. Hopefully someone else that uses it often will pop in and post. Might also be in the Tips and Tricks or Tivo survival guide documents.
     
  13. puffnstuff

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    I don't really like it but I ue it all the time . Repeat I really really don't like it . But it does work , just they way you said . Still it's a poor substitute . Never mine I do it on live tv and one recorded I haven't ever got it to work with 2 recorded shows .
     
  14. Zias

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    Sad thing is, I would be willing to pay more for a HR20 with dual buffer. They are leaving money on the table and with people leaving, they are actually leaving it in the garbage.

    I went again last night and played with the HR20 and found the work arounds to be rediculous.

    As stated before, the poll here speaks for itself. DTV is being stupid and alienating customers. They could move towards a best of breed solution but they refuse. They can give their customers desired features yet they don't.

    Still, I have yet to hear a solid reason why they do not/will not provide this VERY desired feature.
     
  15. sgnhaf

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    I ahve done some research, it records 2 streams at once, but can not D LIVE B them because the processor and Ram Is insuffecient for the "behind the scenes" thins that go on during DLB

    this info came from an enginer from an electronic company
     
  16. MikeR

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    DLBs is not a pressing issue for me, and I could wait for Earl to answer, but this is misinformation. Check out the S2 or S3 processors/RAM.
     
  17. Chuck584

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    That's what alot of people are doing when FIOS rolls into town. You've read the article. D* takes a bigger hit percentage wise than cable or DISH.

    Doesn't that tell you something?

    When FIOS completes the agreement with our local council, I'm there in a hot second.

    D* can develop what they want, in the time frame they want. If they don't listen to customers, they'll soon be serving new bugs to no one.

    Meanwhile I have TiVo HD with Comcast while I wait for 100 channels of HD. If I can't tune 100 channels by year's end with my current contract, D* will be in breach two promises by their sales. 1) DLB by football season and 2) 100 HD channels on my current level of service by 1 January 2008.
     
  18. stogie5150

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    :soapbox:

    :rant:


    You might as well put your pants on then. Because D* has no intention of giving us a DVR as good as TIVO was in basic operation. Oh sure, you'll have VOD, networking, and all kinds of money makers for D*, but a great, stable DVR like TIVO was when they told us we needed their new HR20, I do not think you'll ever see.
    A LOT of us would be gone already given a better choice. Buy sadly where I live its either Charter, D*, or E*. Choose your poison. Would you rather be shot, stabbed, or hung? All three ate up with HDLITE, less that great DVR's, and inattentive CS.

    DLB? We've asked Earl why not, he said he can't tell us. So we are forced to speculate. I'd be happy if I really knew WHY. If almost every other platform supports it why can't this walking-on-water-HR20-that-everyone-on-DBSTalk-raves-about do it? Is it a hardware issue? Is it an advertiser issue? Is it an inability to code it issue?
    Just be HONEST with us. Don't urinate down my back and call it rain. We can handle the truth, TELL US.

    I am VERY interested in the new owners position on this. They have a chance to make a LOT of customers happy if they FIX this issue and get us something that we can reccomend to friends again. I've turned a lot of folks on to D* since 1996. No more. Since the HR20 I keep my trap shut.

    Now, if you want a 100 channels of stretch-o-vision hd lite, D* will have you covered on that I am pretty confident. The new satellite will give them the ablity to downrezz and squeeze mpeg4 so much they'll fit 500 channels on the two satellites, should they become available. Hey, but you'll only pay 10 bucks a month for it, no price increase. :lol:

    :rant:
     
  19. bonscott87

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    The thing is that people on this forum get all worked up over DLB. But it's just like the "DirecTV is going to die without Tivo argument". The vast majority of people don't even have a DVR. They will use whatever their provider gives them. Thus DLB isn't even a feature they know about. Heck, most of the Tivo owners I know didn't even know they could switch between tuners until I asked them about it. Joe Sixpack just doesn't know or care about DLB.

    There were at it's peak about 250K HR10 owners. There are a LOT more HR20s out there already. To think all 250K are leaving because of no DLB is not thinking right. There has been no mass exodus of people with the R15 which has no DLB either and it's been out for 2 years. DirecTV isn't targeting for the 250K HR10 owners, they have the 15+ *million* that don't have an HD DVR in their sights. In the conference call a few days ago they talked about how many current HD users have upgraded to the new HD DVR and how many new HD customers they are signing up at a record pace. The HR10 owners sadly just don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Most aren't going anywhere and the few thousand that might leave won't even be noticed.

    Look, I hope they add DLB for everyone even if it's not something I'd use much if at all. But all the "gloom and doom" that DirecTV is going to lose customers by the tens of thousands simply because of no DLB is not smart thinking. Just not going to happen.

    And as for FIOS, most people can't get FIOS and most people still won't have FIOS as an option 10 years from now. To think FIOS is going to come and doom DirecTV is again, shortsighted and not thinking about the big picture.
     
  20. MikeR7

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    OK, I've had enough. I've found a brand new H10-250 that I can get for $40. I want to experience DLB so I know what the fuss is all about. When it can't be used for HD, I'll just use it as an SD recorder. Should I do this?:)
     
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