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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

    94.1%
  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #1681 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    That is exactly it... .it is a design/feature choice.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2007 #1682 of 2967
    cygnusloop

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    Oh, I absolutely get that it is only a 90 minute long, rolling buffer. But the buffer is delineated by program, unlike the TiVo, which I think is a really cool feature. It makes it very easy to dump a buffered program to the playlist.

    Clearly, but a "choice" implies that something was chosen instead of DLB's. Something, I assume, we are not yet privy to. I know you can't say what it is, but the stubbornness, and lack of feedback on this one issue is, as I am sure you know, very frustrating.

    Anyway, I think I just need to step away from this thread again, for a while. ;)
     
  3. Oct 9, 2007 #1683 of 2967
    carl6

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    When I look at the poll, I see better than 75% have said it is a must have. To me, that means I would go to another service provider to get it, or skip HD and keep an SD Tivo with DLB, or whatever. If it is a "Must have", and I don't have it, I'm going to vote with my feet and my pocketbook.

    Well, that doesn't appear to be happening. While thousands scream and holler, only tens actually take action. That speaks much louder than words.

    If you (collectively) seriously want DirecTV to add DLB, and it really is a "MUST have", then you need to walk the talk. Go elsewhere, and come back when DLB is available.

    If you don't want to walk the talk, then maybe it's time to stop talking.

    Carl
     
  4. Oct 9, 2007 #1684 of 2967
    lman

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    Unfortunately I have a 2 year commitment that needs to expire. I will then be looking for a provider that listens to their customers.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2007 #1685 of 2967
    vicmeldrew

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    well, like i said before i have my sd tivos because of the dual buffers and have not switched to HD because of this and when my tivos die or no longer are compatible i will walk. so do not categorize all of us in your statement.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2007 #1686 of 2967
    DC_SnDvl

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    A "feature choice," what feature? It is an anti feature.

    They are starting to act a lot like Verizon. "It's the network; if you want to use it (you do) you have to use the hardware we have crippled."

    I wrote my letter to the office of the president, an exercise in futility. As long as they continue to add subscribers they don’t care about what a few people would like.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2007 #1687 of 2967
    anubys

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    I believe what Earl meant is that they chose not include that feature...
     
  8. Oct 9, 2007 #1688 of 2967
    tiger2005

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    OR... you could not click on this thread and stop 'inspiring' the rest of us. I don't believe that any of us that want this feature need to be preached to or advised on a course of action.

    Earl has CLEARLY said before that we are more than welcome to discuss this issue as much as we like in this thread. If you don't agree, take it up with Earl.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2007 #1689 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    So depending on what your package is... assuming it is the average $75 a month...

    You are willing to spend: $1,800 (2 years at $75)
    Then to "buy out" at the $300 ($12.50 a month for 2 years; which is prorated)

    If you are that unhappy... why spend the larger amount?
     
  10. Oct 9, 2007 #1690 of 2967
    tiger2005

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    Things like this are exactly what puts my blood pressure off the charts. If that is the case, why does D* not explain why and the circumstances behind its exclusion? Treating us like adults would go a long way towards people understanding their position. Its not like we're asking for their trade secrets. Without any of this, we are left to speculate and guess on the reasons. The more time that goes by, the more I feel that D* is just being stubborn and doesn't want to implement this feature based on arrogance alone. Why else would they not reveal the reason, unless their 'reasoning' isn't that good to begin with? THAT is what makes me want to call them immediately and cancel my service. Unfortunately, they also have a large amount of HD coming our way so I'm left to choose between HD and DLB. At this point HD wins out, but that will be a shortlived advantage as every TV provider is going to have to supply all of these HD channels. At that point, I will very much enjoy the call to D* to cancel my service. It won't come only from the lack of DLB, but also from their lack of concern for their customers requests/feedback. Sorry for the rant.
     
  11. Oct 9, 2007 #1691 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    What explanation do you want.... ?

    Do they have to explain every single decision with you? the customer?
    In what way shoudl they explain it? Press Release? via the forum? Via a personal certified letter...

    Bottom line... plain and simple... it is not a feature that is there... it was never stated to be there... it was never planned to be there... it hasn't been there for over two years.... It is not in active development to come any time in any definition of the near future...

    Because... they simply have chosen not to have it in THEIR DVR platform...
    Plain and simple.... for the same reasons they have chosen to make the system white... menu's on the side of the screen... using the color buttons... in their plan... for what they want on THEIR DVR platform... that is intended for the entire population of users...

    They have decided not to have it there.

    So let your blood pressure go... and let it fall... that is it...
    And honestly... they will probably never give me the "thumbs" up to post all the details... and frankly... a lot of all your speculations are so far off the charts, I have to giggle at them at times.... but quashing them, would result in me pretty much stating the reasons....

    So that is what it is... you have the facts as to what it was in the past... and as of today... and pretty much what is going to be for a while to come.

    Everything that goes out to "you" as a customer... also goes out to DirecTV's competitors.... so yes.. things have to remain "secret" and basically their business model, and ultimate plans for the unit... are "trade secrets"
     
  12. Oct 9, 2007 #1692 of 2967
    raott

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    Sir, I am quite aware what dual live buffers means and I assure you, after having used the motorola 6412/6416 for over three months this summer while we were in between houses, the 6412/6416 series has DLBs and the buffer is preserved on both tuners.

    It is documented in the manual which has been previously posted here.

    EDIT: Here is the manual:
    http://broadband.motorola.com/dvr/downloads/URMD2.pdf

    See page 36 for the "Swap" feature. Here is a bit of what it says:


    "Because your DVR has two tuners, it can buffer two programs at the same time – one on each tuner. The SWAP feature lets you toggle back and forth between the two live shows while giving you full control of both.
    While you are tuned to a program, press the SWAP button on your remote.
    • You will change tuners.Now you can select an alternate program by changing channels or using the Guide.
    • Press SWAP again to toggle between the two programs.
    Note: The SWAP button is the key to keeping the buffer for both programs. If you change channels without using the SWAP key, you will lose the buffer."
     
  13. Oct 9, 2007 #1693 of 2967
    Que

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    A must have! 2168 76.82%
    Don't really care about it. 146 5.17%
    Like the option but, Ok if it's not there. 508 18.00%
    Voters: 2822

    Replies-1,691
    Views-92,058
     
  14. Oct 9, 2007 #1694 of 2967
    Mike Bertelson

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    There are plenty of DVR's without DLB.

    However, the current Comcast HD/DVR is the Motorola 6412/6416 which most definitely has DLB.

    Please provide the model number of the Motorola box you were using. You might want to avoid telling someone their wrong and making blanket statements without model numbers. Just a suggestion... :)

    Mike
     
  15. Oct 9, 2007 #1695 of 2967
    smithrh

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    Let me ask this another way to Earl:

    From what you've seen, is DirecTVs stance reasonable?

    From what I - a long time paying customer - can see, it is not.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2007 #1696 of 2967
    Earl Bonovich

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    I can't answer that question...
    With respects to the lack of DLB.
    As I do have a lot more information to the "puzzle".


    But do I think their stance of not "telling" the exact information on why is reasonable... Yes, I do.

    I too am a LONG time paying customer... almost 10 years
     
  17. Oct 9, 2007 #1697 of 2967
    sshams95

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    Folks, judging from these comments, I don't know how anyone here thinks D* will offer DLB any time soon...or ever. Sure, we can continue bang the drum, but I'm losing hope. I've created my own work-arounds to simulate DLB, a lot of it costs money. From family pressure, I got the Dish 722 due to its international programming. They offered me a very good deal and free HD for 6 months. So, now I have the Dish 722 and DTV HR20 and HR10...all in one room hooked up to my 73". The 722 has PIP and it can PIP 2 HD channels.

    So, on Saturdays...for college football, I use the 722 to follow multiple games. Then I have my HR20 connected to my Slingbox so I follow a 3rd game on my laptop.

    On Sundays, I use the HR10 and HR20 on my TV's PIP function. And through Supercast on my laptop, I follow the Red Zone Channel or a 3rd game.

    During the week, when I'm not watching football, I use the 722 to follow two shows. It is very easy to switch tuners on the 722.

    Now, this is what I suggest to those who can do it. If not, there has to be some other type of workarounds that can be suggested. Perhaps other users can offer what they have done to alleviate the lack of DLBs on the HR20.

    Until then, continue to bang the drum....but I doubt we will ever see DLB on the HR20 and especially so if D* feels compelled to not let us know why they can't offer it due to a myriad of reasons, including competitition.
     
  18. Oct 9, 2007 #1698 of 2967
    celticpride

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    :nono2: I miss my DLB i had with tivo,last night i tried watching the indians-yankees game and the cowboys -bills game, but eveytime i changed channels i lost my buffer ,thats why i like buffers you can watch 2 games at same time. i guess i'll just watch 1 live and record the other from now on.
     
  19. Oct 9, 2007 #1699 of 2967
    M3Rocket

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    The question is then do we focus on getting the pause point on SLB to work properly since D* won't give us DLB on the HR20? Or is that also a lost cause? Earl?
     
  20. Oct 9, 2007 #1700 of 2967
    Drew2k

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    Here was Earl's earlier response in this thread about SLB ...

    If you are interested in SLB, please see the thread below and remember to vote in the Wish List Survey (linked in the thread below).

    Forget DLB ... Who wants SLBPP while playing back a recording?
     
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