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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

    94.1%
  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Lord Vader

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    Sure, if you like utilizing a dozen or so keystrokes and exercising your fingers a lot.
     
  2. islander66

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    It's actually simple for me. There is only a few simple keystrokes, (pause, list, select) and you are at the other recording.

    That's easier than changing a channel through the guide.

    Anyway, I'm not getting into a debate here, just wanted to add this work around, and my experience.

    I hope this is a hospitable forum that respects other people's views. If you have something to add, please do so without dragging me into it.
     
  3. primetime

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    I used my work around on Saturday night switching between the baseball playoff game and the Cal/Oregon State game.

    I recorded the football game on VS. and had the other tuner on the Red Sox/Indians game. I started watching the football game by choosing it from the list menu and when I wanted to watch the baseball game I hit exit and it took me back to the baseball game which was buffering on my 2nd tuner and I could rewind to when some runs scored or just watch for awhile. When I wanted to go back to the football game I just hit list, selected the game and hit resume play and it picked up right where I left off I didn't even use the pause button just exit from the recording and it takes me back to the last channel I watched which was the buffering baseball game. I didn't try and pause the baseball game to keep going from the same spot but rather just did a rewind if I was that interested in what I may have missed.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    Oh, loosen up those panties already. Not all of us like pressing pause--list--select--up--down--jump around on one foot--tap top of head three times...just to do the workaround. :D
     
  5. lman

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    You forgot about the keystrokes to set up the recording and then deleting the program and then if you decide after 15 minutes that you don't want to watch the program you have to do it all over with another program.
     
  6. islander66

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    If you go back to my first post, I said the workaround may not be as useful as the dual buffers in all situations. But the first post of this thread should provide the workaround also, as saying there is no workaround, seems inaccurate.

    I could see myself using the DLB, although there is only one extra step in navigating between recordings.

    Anyway, I hope the DLB is available if all things else can remain the same.

    I certainly wouldn't want to pay $800 for it, or give up PQ.

    Anyway, if it wasn't for you all complaining so much about this feature I never would have learned of the workaround. So, that' s progress.
     
  7. islander66

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    Exactly, that's why you should provide the workaround in the first post and let people decide for themselves.

    That's not too much trouble for me. You can do that through the guide menu, then clean up by pushing the dash twice. But, yeah, if you are just surfing around the less steps the better.

    The disadvantage is that you have a limited buffer.

    I still think the HR20 is quite functional.
     
  8. Lord Vader

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    Program the workaround as an activity in a Harmony remote--macros limit one to 5 keystrokes--and maybe it'll be even easier.
     
  9. mtnagel

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    I've said it before, but you can also use STOP, then DOWN or UP once, and then PLAY. So that's 3 keystrokes. Which is 1 more than Tivo's PAUSE, then Down Arrow.

    Of course, this is after setting up both recordings, but with Tivo, you still have to tune to both channels to set up the buffering.
     
  10. TheRatPatrol

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    Can't you use the "previous" button to go back and forth between the 2 recorded shows?
     
  11. islander66

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    I'm afraid it doesn't keep the place where you left off watching. You will go to the very front then have to rewind where you left off. You can start watching a recording in the playlist then surf around and when you go back it will stay where you left it. But if you start the recording and don't go back to the playlist and start play there, this wont work.

    However, it should be noted that the latest software update added the delete function and the "resume" function in the recorded menu, which makes the work around easier then when this thread started.

    So maybe they can do a software patch to simply use the Previous button and not have to rewind?
     
  12. islander66

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    Wow! You don't even have to push pause when you switch back and forth between the two recorded shows.

    Just push List then select Resume which is the first choice.

    It doesn't get much easier than that!
     
  13. ToddinVA

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    Do you work for DirecTV or something?? :grin:
     
  14. anubys

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    I do this:

    pause
    previous
    up (or down)
    play

    since the two recorded shows are next to each other, that's all you need to do...I'm not sure you even need to press the pause at the start but I do it just because I don't trust it...

    so it's 4 stokes instead of 1 for the Tivo...the other disadvantage is you can't decide to change to a third show to do the dual watching thing without a lot of work...

    it's a decent workaround...but the DLB would be better...
     
  15. islander66

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    Your in deep! I'm only sharing the workaround. While some people would rather not share this in hopes of increasing chances for DLB.

    I think you are shooting yourself it the foot. The more people who use the workaround will want it improved.

    D* will also think you are just too dumb to use the DVR, if you say there is no workaround.

    I would like the work-around to be improved so that Previous keeps the same place.

    Because you can already record one and surf around on the other tuner, which is exactly what you are doing with the DLB. You also don't have the limited 30 minute buffer when you want to record both.
     
  16. raott

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    What you guys who tout the workaround always leave out when trying to convince everyone else how "easy" it is is:
    - first you have to record both shows and then delete later

    - if you are surfing and not sure which game you want to flip between or decide one game isn't good and you want to buffer another there is a couple of more additional steps on top of the additional steps you already have to do (ie change the channel, tell it yeah I really want to stop recording, go to new channel, hit record again)

    - if you are trying to buffer between something like local news, news or ESPNNews (ie trying to keep up with other scores) which is only a half hour long, you are going to lose your buffer as soon as the the half hour mark hits and your recording stops and the "workaround" no longer works without recording again

    - if you are using the R15 you are very likely to be up against the 100 to-do limit and have to go more extra steps to tell it what show not to record in the future

    - if the game you are flipping between runs long, your recording is over and the buffer is gone without more extra steps to extend the padding

    I much prefer the one touch buffer swap of both Tivo and cable's Motorola boxes (can't speak for dish or sci-atlanta boxes b/c I've never used them)
     
  17. islander66

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    My point isn't that DVR is better than than DLB… it's just better than nothing, which is exactly what you guys are offering to those of us with HR20.


    The work-around should be posted on the first page, and on the first page of the "tips and tricks" otherwise very few people will care about DLB or improving the DVR.

    I had to figure it out for myself, so I'm excited to have a tool to avoid watching commercials.

    I would like improved DVR functions and DLB.

    This should make sense to a rational person. And I've said what I have to say.
     
  18. rawilson

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    One thing I'm not excited about is taking up 6 hours of HD programming space on my hard drive to record 2 football games...and, of course, then missing the ends of them as they run over the program time. The workaround is a hack that we shouldn't have to do.
     
  19. Earl Bonovich

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    And having DLB's is going to guarantee that isn't going to happen?
     
  20. dennisj00

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    It does on my Sony T-60 unless I've programmed something that follows the games because you're watching either buffer 'live'.

    And the 'workaround' presented gets more complicated with the folder system -- more button pushes and delays to figure out which program you're really supposed to continue watching.
     
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