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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

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  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. ShiningBengal

    ShiningBengal Godfather

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    I thought that the buffers didn't take up space that is allocated for recordings. I know that was the case with the HR10.

    If you schedule recordings and you don't have sufficient space for the scheduled amount of time, the HR20 is going to delete programs to make room, is it not? That wouldn't be necessary with DLB if it were implemented the way the HR10 handles DLB.

    Or am I missing something?
     
  2. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

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    The later segments.... "in case it runs over", is what I was referring too.
     
  3. islander66

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    A DVR is a hack? haha... Really, I'm not down on DLB, but I enjoy recording one or two shoes and I find myself watching most of one, and forget about the second. So with DLB, I can't go back and watch it later like I can with dual DVR.

    The play list will have both recordings at the top so there is no searching around. (more misinformation) With DLB there is no searching around for a recording because its gone.

    If you are running out of room on your DVR, pay your 7 year old daughter $10 to erase a few episodes of Hanna Montana, so the grownups can use the DVR.

    :D
     
  4. raott

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    What do you mean a DVR is a hack? I do not understand what you are trying to say.

    With DLB, if you choose to record the show instead, so be it, one has nothing to do with the other, the addition of DLB doesn't prevent you from recording two shows if you would like. It is simply a convenience feature that many of us, either old Tivo users or cable users are use to having.

    We all know about the workaround, it has been discussed ad nauseum for two years on this site (since the introduction of the R15), for most of us, it is not acceptable, and no amount of "convincing" is going to change minds.
     
  5. islander66

    islander66 AllStar

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    At least I understand what a question mark means.

    You missed the point. But I didn't miss yours, yawn.

    bye
     
  6. Surfguy

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    I personally miss the spontaneity associated with duel buffer watching. I could flip around at my heart's content to find two shows to buffer. Then, get sick of one of them and move on to another. It allowed me to cover more ground and be a smarter TV watcher. So, I'm missing that the most. I don't seem to enjoy watching TV as much or changing channels now. Pretty soon...I'm going to start turning it off and finding something else to do. What's happening to me? I'M CHANGING! ARGH! lol
     
  7. Rocker07

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    Here is an example of what drives me crazy about the HR20....tonight I'm watching a pre-season basketball game. I notice that a show I have set to record on another channel is now recording. I figure I will go to the list and play the show that is recording and keep the "live" buffer on the channel with the basketball game. Once I finish watching the recorded show I'll switch back the the basketball game and rewind back and watch the last 5 mins or so......well, I forgot you obviously can't do that with the HR20. When I delete the recorded show and exit back to the "live" buffer there is NO buffer to rewind.
     
  8. 94SupraTT

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    You are not comparing like things then. Your post should have said.

    Set up both recordings - how ever many keystrokes that is I assume at least 4 keystrokes to record 2 shows.

    STOP, DOWN/UP and then Play. 3 more strokes, at least.

    That is a total of no less than 7 strokes, when it takes a Tivo 2 strokes (not to mention the keystrokes involved in deleting the shows) you are "buffering". Setting up the recordings is a requirement your post is marginizing the importance/requirement of setting up the recordings. Sure it is a workaround however neat nearly as efficient.
     
  9. ToddinVA

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    D* is the dumb one here. Why not offer a simple feature than most dual-tuner DVRs already offer?? I'm not the dumb one since I've been using DVRs longer than almost everyone out there, over 8 years. As for the buffer, the 30 minute limit is just a dumb TiVo decision. It has nothing to do with the DLB feature.
     
  10. islander66

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    I agree that they are two different functions. My only issue here is that the DVR isn't as difficult as some claim.

    I hope we get the DLB function, until thin it would be best to use the DVR workaround, otherwise less and less people will want the DLB.

    There is also no reason for so many people to take issue with my post instead of posing their own thoughts.

    I can't add any more to this, so I'll see you all around at the rest of the forum!
     
  11. Drew2k

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    Assuming you want to "watch" channels 2 and 4 ... I tried to list every step required to establish the buffers/recordings on two channels; to swap the buffers/recordings; and to clean-up afterwards. I'm not sure if I overlooked anything or if any of these steps can be eliminated, so please take a close look at my steps ....

    A. To establish two "buffers" with one of them paused:

    TiVo: 6 keystrokes:
    1. 2
    2. ENTER
    3. PAUSE
    4. DOWN <-- background buffer is now paused on channel 2
    5. 4
    6. ENTER

    HR20: 11 keystrokes (or 7?)
    1. 2
    2. ENTER
    3. REC <-- program from channel 2 is added to top of playlist
    4. 4
    5. ENTER <-- tuner changes, with channel 2 now on "background" tuner, not paused
    6. REC <-- program from channel 4 is now at top of playlist

    7. PAUSE <-- technically, you can press PAUSE here - it's "PAUSED" - but this pause isn't saved if you swap tuners, so instead ...

    7. LIST
    8. PLAY <-- program from channel 4 is now played from beginning
    9. STOP <-- automatically pauses channel 4 and returns to playlist
    10. DOWN <-- selection changes to program from channel 2
    11. PLAY <-- program from channel 2 now plays from beginning


    B. Now that the "buffers" are established, here's what it takes to "swap" buffers, saving the pause point and resuming play on the other "buffer":

    TiVo: 3 keystrokes
    1. PAUSE
    2. DOWN
    3. PLAY

    HR20: 3 keystrokes
    1. STOP
    2. DOWN or UP <-- according to location in playlist
    3. PLAY


    C. Here's what it takes to "cleanup" after "buffering":

    TiVo: 0 keystrokes
    -- Any channel change or scheduled recordings on both tuners will clear the buffer

    HR20: 5 keystrokes
    1. LIST
    2. DASH
    3. DASH <-- the first "recording buffer" is stopped if still recording and is deleted; the next "recording buffer" moves up in the list"
    4. DASH
    5. DASH <-- the second "recording buffer" is stopped if still recording and is deleted


    Summary: TiVo saves 5 keystrokes when establishing the buffers and 5 keystrokes when cleaning up. It's a wash when toggling buffers/recordings.

    Did I miss anything?
     
  12. islander66

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    Hi Drew, nice comparison. I don't use the "enter" for the HR20, so that would save two steps? Both of mine have always been at the top of the play list.

    1. 2 (chose channel)

    2. record (starts recording in playlist)

    3. 4 (choose second channel.)

    4. record (records second channel.)

    5. List (you don't have to push pause)

    6. Select one of the two programs

    7. resume (which is the first option)

    It's like changing channels in a very short list.

    It also appears that you left out a pause and a down in the DLB.

    I'm not trying to push anything on anyone. I like the DVR functions, because it is easy and will save the program if I quit watching one. I can go back and watch it later.
     
  13. islander66

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    Does the DLB have a dedicated list of the buffered programs?

    Because with the DVR all you are doing is pressing record once while you are at that channel or the guide, then going to the playlist is easier than changing the channel through the guide.

    I voted that DLB would be fine, but I really don't need it.

    For those that need it, no one is "forcing" you to use a HR 20.

    Making suggestions for a product you choose to use, is quite different than being inhospitable to other who have also chosen the same product to enjoy and share accurate information.
     
  14. raott

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    Yes, you missed the additional steps required if:
    - your buffered game runs long
    - you are trying to buffer a 30 minute show like ESPNNews or local news and the half hour mark is hit
    - you are using the R15 and run against the 100 limit (yeah I know this is the HR20 forum but DLB is the one subject that if you post anywhere else other than the DLB sticky thread some people complain)
    - and if you decide one game isn't worth buffering and decide on another

    Those I just listed are not unusual events, they happen all the time while watching Sunday ticket or college football and trying to keep up with scores or local news - which is where I often found myself using DLBs.
     
  15. rawilson

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    No, it isn't going to happen...because both tuners continue to maintain a buffer. On my HR20, as soon as I change the channel after the recording time has expired, I lose the current buffer AND have already lost the other one. So, yes, having DLB will guarantee that assuming I don't have another recording scheduled and I don't wait more than half an hour to change tuners.
     
  16. JohnLips

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    Give me DLB's and I'll keep the hr20 over a tivo unit.:)

    John
     
  17. Que

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    Yeah that would drive me crazy too. I guess you just have to record everything but, then your pause point doesn't work so you would have to FW.
     
  18. swconsult

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    Earl, he answered you. With DLB the buffer remains regardless of the show. As has been said many times here, the DLB is not program specific like the cumbersome workaround. The only thing that would intrupt that is a scheduled recording as he said.

    Again I'll ask, what is D*s response when you've shown them all this. Stop covering for them.
     
  19. swconsult

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    There's little need to save the pause points.

    TIVO
    Hit "Live TV" and your on the other tuner. FF or RW to your hearts content. Heck even watch a good commercial if you want.
    And no clean-up at the end of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  20. swconsult

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    To get acceptable HD content (D*, no one else) we are forced to use the HR20 if we want a DVR
     
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