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Dual Buffers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Que, Aug 17, 2006.

Dual Buffers

  1. A must have!

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  2. Don't really care about it.

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  3. Like the option but, Ok if it's not there.

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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    Why is it a "defense" to just re-state the facts of the situation?

    Have I said I agreed with their decision to leave out DLB?
    Have I said I would vote against the addition of DLB (if it was just that)?

    And yes... I would post the according facts, if Pause was removed from the system. (and honestly since I watch so little from the live buffer... not having a PAUSE feature there wouldn't bother me too much... as if I need to keep it... I hit Record, and I have the program. And I do that for most shows that I am watching live anyway, "just in case"... but that is me and my style of using the DVR)
     
  2. Lord Vader

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    It may not be a defense, per se, but I believe many tend to infer it as such.
     
  3. Earl Bonovich

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    Well... I can't control what people infer / assume.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    That's where I come in. The Force has a powerful influence on the weak mind. ;)
     
  5. Jhon69

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    I'm starting to believe that it's not that D* can't put in DLB,but that they want you to
    record both shows so they can access that information in the DVR's history.;)
     
  6. Jhon69

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    I thought that was "The Shadow's line".:lol:
     
  7. woj027

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    That is the most logical guess that I have heard about why there is no DLB.

    Since it's not Technology, Patents, or Money (as stated so many different ways in so many different forums)

    All i want for Christmas is the true answer......:D

    and please, no one tell me "You can't handle the Truth!"
     
  8. Earl Bonovich

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    What you don't think they would be able to access a log of what you are watching in the live buffer(s)? (It does do a lookup on guide data to display the info bar).
     
  9. cygnusloop

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    As I stated way upthread, I still think the key reason is that DIRECTV wants to reserve the inactive tuner for their own use, to push showcase/VOD type content to the DVR.

    If they want to use the inactive tuner for this, even if it is only for very short periods of time, IMHO, it necessarily precludes the inclusion of DLB, which would require the second tuner to be buffering 24/7. If DLB existed, there would be no such thing as an "inactive" tuner.
     
  10. Earl Bonovich

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    As noted many times.

    When the unit is receiving a pushed showcase or content... it stops when that tuner is needed. And something like could easily be coded into to compensate for a dual tuner.

    As even in the TiVo world, it calculates when the unit is not "active"... so that it doesn't have to put up dialogs when it wants to change the channel in the background tuners.

    All you would have to do is establish a min-time level of lack of IR/Remote activity on the unit (say 4 hours)... and then determin that as a period of time when the unit is no longer being actively used by a user.
    (Or over loaded by when the system is in Standby/shutdown mode).
     
  11. cygnusloop

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    Then why, why, WHY?? For the love of God, man, WHY? ;)
     
  12. beer_geek

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    I will answer you right after you answer the question I posed to you on 11-19-07, 10:44 AM.


    Which would you prefer:

    One "bothersome" thread at the top


    --OR--

    A large quantity of threads started by the "tens of thousands of newbs that are going to land here" because they can't get to the other tuner on their new HR2x they got to go with their new flat panel display they got on black Friday?
     
  13. tiger2005

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    I think that's the problem, every technical theory that's thrown out there on this site is shot down by Earl. Could it be as simple as DirecTV (Earl, I didn't use D*, but I was SOOOO tempted) just not wanting the feature on their DVR's? I'm honestly out of ideas on why it's not being implemented if its technically feasible for it to be done.
     
  14. boltjames

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    Choice "B". Large quantity of threads. Because this would relieve the board of the perception of DLB as that big a deal that this thread has 100k views. It's a needless pimple atop the board, makes it look like the HR20/1 has a problem, and forces newbs to look at it when they otherwise would be oblivious. Bad enough most message boards about products are filled with complainers; the HR20/1 is phenomenal and it doesn't get enough love on this board.

    If we created a new DLB thread with 0 views and a new "The Reasons I Adore my HR20/1" with 0 views, by next year the "Adore" thread would outnumber the "DLB" thread by 5:1. Let's do that.

    BJ
     
  15. boltjames

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    DING!

    We have a winner. Well, half a winner. You got the right reason, what you lack is the motivation.

    BJ
     
  16. Earl Bonovich

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    Some of the main reasons why this became a single thread.

    1) Until something changs on DirecTV side... there isn't a whole lot more to say about it

    2) A user... decided he was going to spam the board... and in about a 15 minute period... managed to post and bump about 75 DLB related threads, which pushed every other topic down 3 pages.

    So it was a decision to stick the main, long term thread... so anyone looking can easily find the lengthly 16 month conversation on the topic.
     
  17. boltjames

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    I think one of the reasons has to do with money, speed, and reliability.

    I think that no matter how you slice it, no matter how much processors/RAM you throw at it, having two tuners recording seperate HD streams simultaneously puts a big strain on the box. That, in turn, slows down menu access and puts the DVR in scenarios where its lack of muscle can lead to freezes, breakups, lockups, and crashes.

    Yes, increasing the processing power could improve things for DLB to exist somewhat safely, but that costs more money and, still, makes the box less speedy and reliable than it otherwise would be without the second tuner and the second HD bitstream being encoded to disc.

    BJ
     
  18. Earl Bonovich

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    What is the difference between two LIVE buffers constantly recording something, vs two LIVE Recordings at one time?

    It would be the same two tuners.
    It would be the same two data streams.
    It would be the same two simultaneous writing activities to the drive.

    And since you can still access both streams while recording, what really is the difference from a technical level implementation, that would put that much mroe strain on the system regardless if it is a buffer or recording?
     
  19. boltjames

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    I hear you on that......

    Question though, on other boards that have threads that get to a very long length and view count, I've seen them closed and re-opened so as to make the board faster and make them look less important to the newbs. That's my biggest concern here. I was an HR20 newb a short while ago and was very much on the fence to jump from the HR10 to the HR20 only because I was fed so much misinformation and mispeception over on the Tivo board. The HR20 is such a great machine that I'd hate to think that we're creating a similar anti-HR20 perception to newbs and lurkers accidentally.

    I understand the plight of the DLB fan, but big picture I think this large thread does more harm than good. The concept was to make D* understand that there are some unhappy customers; I think they get that. Hard to not get that if you frequent this subforum. That's the problem that it creates for the newbs and lurkers too. Looks like its a really big deal to everyone when it's really not.

    BJ
     
  20. beer_geek

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    There's already a thread like that. (Whats Your Favorite Features Of The HR20/21) It was started yesterday. The last post on it was 2 hours ago. It's already been pushed off the front page. There's another thread started yesterday called "So not happy with HR 21-700". It has more posts and more views than the "Favorite Feature" post.

    To answer your question. I, like just about every other person on this board(including YOU), have no idea why DirecTV didn't include DLB. We can all guess but that's all it will be, a guess.


    Furthermore, do you know why this thread was created and put at the top? Let me tell you. It was done because the front page of the board was getting over loaded with "How do I get to the other tuner?" threads. It cleaned up the board and made it more manageable.
     
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