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DVR 510 announced and monthly fee!

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by boba, Jul 29, 2003.

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  1. Jacob S

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    What about those that want to purchase a lifetime DVR service? Will they offer that? Would they reduce the price of the receivers enough to make up for what the lifetime DVR service would be? Most likely NOT!!! Will they even lower the price of the DVR's at all? Perhaps they may reduce the price enough to get a lot more buyers and then the fee will make them more money if they sell enough of these DVR's in bulk. Perhaps they could even make all the receivers in the future DVR and they want to get people used to the DVR fee again before doing so even though they are still coming out with the 111 and 311.
     
  2. Jacob S

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    cj9788 said: I am reading this thread and shaking my head. I cant really add more every one has really hit the nail on the head. To make sure I under stand correctly I would have to buy my new DVR before 9/1/03 to be grandfathered in??? There is no chance in Heck that the 522 will be out by then. So if all of this is true then I will resign my self to another 508 and be done with it.

    Well I am going to going out on a limb and guess that no new DVR receivers will be out before 9/01/2003 because if they do they will not be able to get the DVR fees for them.
     
  3. minnow

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    Two quick questions to Jacob S; Why do you feel the need to have multiple sequential posts. Can you say what you want to say in just one single post and secondly, is what you have to post of such importance that it needs to be in bold ? I've read some of your comments and I personally don't think they are of such significance that the print needs to be in bold.
     
  4. SParker

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    Hello Dish Network,

    The public has answered your so called idea, they don't like it. You still have time to change your minds. Do the right thing Dish! You will feel better for doing so.
     
  5. Jacob S

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    What? For Each receiver??? Is Dish CRAZY??? :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: I guess its byebye DishPVR, DishPTV, DishDVR, whatever the heck they want to call it. Dumb, STUPID, dont tell me its for development if they are going to be charging so much more than the competition if they are going to charge per receiver. What about those that have a Dishplayer and going to get one of these DVR receivers in the future? Even if they did not do it per receiver I am sure they would charge an extra fee for the Dishplayer and the DVR since the Dishplayer's PTV is outsourced to Microsoft.
     
  6. Jacob S

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    I would think that if they grandfather the receiver and allow the next owner to have free DVR functionality then these receivers would carry a premium above what they were going for. I would also think that more would purchase these receivers now before the fee comes.

    Why would someone even buy one of those DVR receivers if they had no additional functionality or features than basic receiver without the DVR functionality? They figure if someone purchases that receiver they will purchase that functionality as well but would not force the consumer to do so.
     
  7. Chris Freeland

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    If E* did this that would be the last straw for me, I would likely switch to D* if this happens. If E* does not charge an extra fee for that 2nd tuner, which hopefully they will not, I could replace both of my current receivers with the new 522 and would pay virtually the same monthly price.
     
  8. Big D

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    As an owner of a fair number of Echostar shares I should probably be happy that the revenue stream will be increasing, however I am certain that the DVR fee approach is not going to go over well with the mases, much less us here at dbstalk.com. PVR/DVR technology will someday displace VCRs in the average home and now is the appropriate time to start the push to effect that shift by E*, so I do not fault them in making a bold move. A bold move is called for in that cable and D* are sure making noises that they are getting ready to do the same. VCRs have a monthly fees, neither do DVD players and their acceptance is near universal. Charge monthly fees for using a product that cost a lot more than the technology it is replacing and most will stay away. Market DVRs as the next best thing to hit consumer electronics since the DVD, position it so that the public understands it will replace the VCR, price it right and MAKE IT EASY to switch and it will happen. Stumble at the gate and it will continue to be the niche product it is today.

    I like most (if not all of) the facts to be in before I make up my mind on something, learned long ago it does not pay to get all fired up over something before you really know all the facts. Not all of the facts are in on this yet, but maybe enough to be able to make a call on it. Each of us has to make that call on their own, however for me what I need to know is this:

    If I buy a 921 for the Charlie Chat announced pricing of $999.00, then pay $4.99 for an additional receiver, add $4.98 for the DVR fee and ~$10.00 for a HD programming package, I believe I could do much better with the Comcast 6200 series HD PVRs as it stands right now. HD, and it's required recording capability (at least for me) will just be to expensive from E*. I am already smarting from the cost of my 6000, plus 8VSB, plus 8PSK, plus legacy adapter, plus my 721 (which I really do like even if it was expensive), the DishPro LNBF/SW34 upgrade I put in, plus...well you get the idea. I have a lot of money invested in my E* equipment and do not look forward to another >$1,000 investment for a 921 that comes with monthly fees plus the addition of a SuperDish at a still undisclosed price. When I invested in DishPro and the 8PSK module, I did so based on what Charlie and company promised, that the only equipment I would need for HD from them going forward was the 8PSK, now we know different (SuperDish). When I pre-ordered my 921, I did so with the belief I would not have monthly fees, now I know different.

    What will quiet me down? A package deal for existing subscribers that includes a SuperDish upgrade, a 921 and a product lifetime sans DVR fees, all for $999.00. That is what I though I was going to pay in May, that is all I want to pay now.

    'nough said...
     
  9. DarrellP

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    Development? Hell, if they would hire some competent programmer's who could get it done right the first time, they wouldn't have these exhorbitant development fees.

    Charlie must need a new yacht or Lear jet or something or else the entire corporate heads are smoking crack these days.

    Kill the fee, Dish, I am dumping you.
     
  10. Jacob S

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    I think those that are going to purchase the 921 receiver should not be charged a DVR fee. I wonder how long they planned on charging this fee anyways.

    I also think if they do charge a DVR fee on the 921 that they should waive the fee when HD programming is ordered to encourage people to buy this expensive receiver.

    Also how much are people going to put up with? New satellite tax in some states, new DVR fee, smart card swap headaches that will probably come as well, and then I can see the price increases to Top100 and Top150 coming next year as well, in which I am almost sure that will happen next year since the Top50 had a promise not to increase it until 2005 and Top100 and Top150 did not. I bet the Top100 will become $34.99 and Top150 will become $44.99. Add $4.99 for your DVR fee folks. That gives you a pretty round number on pricing. Then add $5.99 for locals unless you subscribe to Top50 in which is going to be $9.99 for the DVR service anways so no win there.
     
  11. Big D

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    I see my post above was my 100th, making me a legend, well I really doubt that!! :nono:

    I do see that Echostar has a news release out on this here:

    http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030730/1828001648_1.html

    In the release it quotes Make Lumpkin that the AT100 package will be $9.99 a month, whereas we here from Mark in an email to Scott earlier in the thread that AT100 would be $4.98. So which is it?
     
  12. toad57

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    Charlie says DVRs are complicated and will be a minority of our business (see post 102 in this thread)

    No Charlie, DVRs are not more complicated than a VCR*- what VCR gives you a list of shows that have been recorded, or keeps its own tapes inside? You don't have to ensure 'a tape is ready' with a DVR!

    If the CATV industry sees the DVR as a 'cash cow' then why don't you? With the right kind of advertising touting the benefits of a DVR you could attract a ton of new subscribers! Once you use a DVR you won't want to watch TV any other way. (If any of you know who Dick Orkin is you can pretty much imagine a great radio commercial of him using clunky VCR -vs- a modern DVR)

    Charlie, you have said they (DVR customers) are a 'stickier' customer; well they won't be for long if you keep this up. If you insist on a PVR fee, at least make it less than what has been stated here, so maybe the existing users that are hoping to upgrade to a 522 or 921 won't just say 'screw it' and leave Echostar for DirecTV/Tivo.

    *Well, a 'bug free' PVR is what I am refering to... my Dishplayer has lost more recordings in mere seconds compared to how many tapes any of my VCRs ever 'ate'; having to deal with various Dishplayer faux pas is what made it complicated, when it works as designed it gets my 'easier to use than a VCR' label.
     
  13. Jacob S

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    They will give you a refurbished 501/508 receiver. They already tried pulling crap on me by trying to give me a refurbished 301 in place of my 721!!! Can you believe that? This is after they ship it to the wrong address!!! Then they do not ship out the 508's as promised then they ship them to the wrong address too, nothing but the runaround!!!
     
  14. Jeff_R

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    It says "Starting with the 510 and going forward". The 522 is basically an enhanced 510, and the 921 will be out after that.

    Why does everyone keep asking if this will apply to the 921? It's not out yet, won't be out until very late this year or early next year, therefore will be out later than the 510. It is definately included in the pricing structure.

    Jeff
     
  15. Jacob S

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    Sorry for putting it in bold. I done that because of all the text and usually do not do this but in this case I have because of all the text to differentiate the reply from what I am replying to.

    Also if I were to say all of that in one post it would be so long, whew. I wanted to split it up into subjects and get different responses and to reply to the different subjects instead of a big long post.
     
  16. UpOnTheMountain

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    After 5 years of being a faithful Dish customer, I finally give up.
    The TIVO product is superior, and the lure of very low switch over cost and good return on equipment is very stong.
    I will now begin looking for deals to replace my DishPlayer, 501 and 721 on three sat set-up.
    Dish just pushed a loyal customer who has "everything but the kitchen sink" (sink=foriegn channels) and who loves to purchase the next best receiver ... out the door.
    I am AEP and cc autopay. but change is good ...
    Now where is that DirecTV deals thread ... ???
     
  17. scooper

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    I'd say #2 pretty much hits it on the head, at least for me...
     
  18. SParker

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    You mean E* is taking a major doodoo with this idea? I agree 100%!!!!


     
  19. rtt2

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    Just came back from Circuit City and am amazed how cheap it is to get set up for a new system. On the display unit they had a barker channel playing describing all the benefits of the DirecTivo. It is a customized production made by DirecTV touting TIVO and all the Benefits and exploring you to try it out. It seems DirecTV is pushing PVRs really hard for all new subscribers.
    D* is going to have a field day poaching subscribers in the coming months. I have just a little bit more time with my commitment to E* but when that time is up I imagine there will be some good promotions going on. I am going to need at a minimum 4 set-tops.
     
  20. dinkster

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    I'm not going to dump Dish today. I will continue with my 6000 and 2 dishs until the HD-Tivo is introduced. This go around, I'm going to properly audition the HD-Tivo and give this unit a really serious look. There are issues with DirectTV as well such as HD signal compression. Available HD programming will be a factor, but most likely not the principal criteria in the decision.

    I will carefully compare PVR features, problems, PQ, and the cost to install and monthly costs of each service provider. They will compete for my business.

    The tragic part for Dish, is that they already had my complete loyalty.

    And now they do not.
     
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