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E* to D* Switchover Experience and DVR Comparison

Discussion in 'General Satellite Discussion' started by cnsf, Feb 4, 2003.

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  1. cnsf

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    Again, not so anonymous anymore. PRetty scary actually. See the article link in my review posting.
     
  2. Mark Holtz

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    Does the HDVR2 haveto be connected to a phone line?
     
  3. Halfsek

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    Another question. The PVR721 has component video out and optical audio. Does the DirecTivo box have those outputs?
    Is the difference between S-Video and component video no big deal for satellite broadcasts?

    Is there an easy way to upgrade the drive in the DirecTivo since it only records 35 hrs- and that is what they advertise, meaning if you record on best quality, it'll be much lower.
     
  4. cnsf

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    Don't see Component video, but there is an optical out. I also find that D* has many more DD 5.1 broadcasts, including some ABC shows.

    Tivo can accept 2 drives with some tweaking. Doesn't appear to be too complicated from what I've read. The SAs have lower quality but the DirecTivo has no quality adjustment, just gets the MPEG2 stream from what I can see.
     
  5. Halfsek

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    Thanks.
    So this is from the DirecTv site :

    " DIRECTV [DirecTivo] offers up to 35 hours of digital recording* without videotape... "

    At the bottom it mentions that the recording time will vary depening on the type of show being recorded. What's that all about?

    Hmmm, I wonder if the non component will make a big deal.
     
  6. Karl Foster

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    When did the 721 get component video outputs?

    The DirecTivo has audio optical out, and there is no quality setting. Everything is recorded directly off the bitstream from Directv.

    Here is a picture of the back of the 721. No component video outputs that I can see. It has COMPOSITE video, but not component. They aren't the same. Component video jacks are green, blue, and red:
     

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  7. Karl Foster

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    All PVR's are advertised as "up to XX hours." Even the beloved 721 says "up to 90 hours." It is right on the website: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/technology/receivers/dishpvr721/index.shtml It all depends on the quality of the original source. A PPV movie with DD will take up more room than a sitcom off TVLand.

    Again, no PVR's on the market today have COMPONENT video, but COMPOSITE video. The video output has nothing to do with the quality of the signal coming in.
     
  8. Halfsek

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    Ha! Funny, here I am thinking it was component the whole time.
    Cool, that makes life a little better. :)

    It's been a while since I installed it and I always remembered it having component.

    Now I'll have to check it when I get home. :)

    This is looking good though. I really do enjoy the 721, but little by little I'm missing my Tivo more and more.
     
  9. Mark Holtz

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    Why would a DBS or VCR need component (Y Pr/Cr PB/Cb) output anyways? However, the best output is S-Video, followed by composite.
     
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    The "up to" 35 hrs doesn't apply when you are using Tivo for the satellite. You can't choose the video quality. That is SA only.

    I don't understand why they don't have the digital video out on these units by now.
     
  11. Ryan

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    Well, the up to 35 hours does apply, but you are correct by saying the end user can not choose the video quality. Directv effectively chooses the video quality. Some programs require more bandwidth, which would result in a bigger file size for a given amount of time.

    Also, DirecTV varys the amount of bandwidth available to different programs. For instance, when I used to get ESPN Full Court, some of those games would practically look like impressionist paintings the video quality was so low. If DirecTV limits the bandwidth of a program they don't consider a 'high priority,' that would result in a smaller file for a given amount of time.

    So any particular one hour program may take up more or less space than the average. Therefore the storage space of the unit is variable, up to about 35 hours.

    They don't have digital video out because the quality of the video isn't worth it. It's unlikely you would gain any improvement over S-video.
     
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    It's the same with any DBS provider - DirecTV, Dish, Bell ExpressVu, StarChoice.

    Digital video out is available on select HDTV receivers on DISH, and DirecTv will be bringing out digital outs soom.
     
  13. Karl Foster

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    The following SD Directv receivers already have component video outputs:

    RCA DRD485RG

    Samsung SIR-75

    Here is a picture of the back of the Samsung:
     

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  14. Halfsek

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    Whoa. Unless I'm totally confused, component is better since it splits the video signal into the three cables- allowing for a much cleaner video imaeg; which is why HDTV's require it.

    I'm pretty sure, in order of best to worst it's

    Component
    S-Video
    Composite
     
  15. Steve Mehs

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    Standard Def DBS and most certianly VHS will see little benefit from interlaced component. As Karl pointed out, there are two standard def D* IRDs that have component out, the RCA 485 and the Samsung S75, but I'm sure the improvement in PQ over svideo is marginal. You'll get improved color seperation, but nothing will help the digital artifacts.
     
  16. BrettStah

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    That article on Tivo and privacy is almost 2 years old, and not accurate in many ways. Plus, all it takes is one toll-free call to opt-out of the anonymous data gathering.
     
  17. cnsf

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    Where do you call? The regular customer service #?
     
  18. BrettStah

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    Good question! :)

    Now that DirecTV is directly responsible for the DVR/Tivo service, I'd guess that you should call DirecTV, and when you mention that you have a DirecTivo and what you're calling for, they'll probably transfer you to their "TiVo specialists".
     
  19. cnsf

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    OK, so now having used the Tivos for amonth and a half now, I have more feedback.

    1) The Tivo appears to be slower than the Dish PVRs. I miss the "manage" function for my 40 hour unit but don't need it for my other 40 hour that I upgraded to 144 hours.

    2) The ability to upgrade is excellent, just like the old DishPlayers. Makes your investment last longer.

    3) Looking forward to the use of the USB ports on the HDVR2s...ethernet, wireless keyboard, etc.

    4) The guide on the DishPVR is not as pretty, but I think it was much better. Sometimes, less is more.

    5) Searching was easier on the DishPVR.

    6) WishLists are nice, but the best feature is being able to limit the number of a particular program (e.g. 3 episodes of Friends, 2 of Dragon Tales, etc.)

    7) No interactive channels on the Tivo like the standard D* receivers (weather, news)

    8) When reshuffling Tivo priorities (which can't be done on DishPVR), it takes FOREVER!!!!

    9) When you enable the 30 second skip easter egg, going to the end or beginning of a show is really annoying. You don't have the option to "Start Over" like on the Dish PVR

    10) Tivo showcases are useles and don't work most of the time

    Overall, I still like the Tivo more than the DishPVR, BUT if Tivo were to tweak these deficiencies, it would be outstandingly better.
     
  20. dishrich

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    I totally agree on this, but did you know you can STILL skip to tick/end EVEN with the 30sec skip? Just hit FF once, then while it's FF, the skip button reverts back to "skip to tick" again, which at least is easier than FF/REW. When you release FF, the button goes back to 30sec skip.
     
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