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E* vs Viacom

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Frank Z, Mar 9, 2004.

Who do you think is right?

  1. EchoStar

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  2. Viacom

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  3. Neither

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  1. Mar 9, 2004 #1 of 43
    Frank Z

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    I noticed that there are a large amount of posts on the Viacom thread but there are even more "views." So for all of you folks that don't post but still want to show your support for E or Viacom, we have a simple poll. Let's see how the membership here votes.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2004 #2 of 43
    cdru

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    Of course, posting a poll like this here is like asking who should win the presidental election at the Republican National Convention... :)
     
  3. Mar 9, 2004 #3 of 43
    mnassour

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    Answer....neither.

    Both are two souless corporations, both of which are trying to maximize profit...and the viewer is caught in the middle.
     
  4. Mar 9, 2004 #4 of 43
    Chris Blount

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    Frank,

    I've added the 3rd option to your poll. Hope you don't mind. :)
     
  5. Mar 9, 2004 #5 of 43
    jeffwtux

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    Dish has made themselves the villain by claiming that Viacom wants 40% rate hikes and then only giving customers back $1/month. That's an outrage. So they are saying that this all over 40 cents/customer/month. I would clearly rather have all the viacom stations and pay 40 cents more a month. That's an outrage. DISH IS WRONG BY THE WAY THEY ARE HANDLING THIS $1 CREDIT. I'M ON VIACOM'S SIDE NOW. DISH IS WRONG
     
  6. Mar 9, 2004 #6 of 43
    dwforslund

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    Dish has made themselves the villain by claiming that Viacom wants 40% rate hikes and then only giving customers back $1/month. That's an outrage. So they are saying that this all over 40 cents/customer/month. I would clearly rather have all the viacom stations and pay 40 cents more a month. That's an outrage. DISH IS WRONG BY THE WAY THEY ARE HANDLING THIS $1 CREDIT. I'M ON VIACOM'S SIDE NOW. DISH IS WRONG​

    I don't think there necessarily is a simple connection between the two, but I don't think the viacom channels are worth the extra cost. The problem as I understand it is the fact that they want more money for channels that Dish doesn't want to carry or wants to extort them for the local channels which are probably much more valuable to those who get them, but less so to others. The issue isn't so clear, and I applaud them trying to keep the rates down. I won't miss the channels very much.
     
  7. Mar 9, 2004 #7 of 43
    jeffwtux

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    How can you say there isn't a connection? That's what Charlie told us last night. He is giving us a piddly $1 as reimbursement. DON'T WE DESERVE 100% OF WHAT DISH WAS PAYING VIACOM FOR ALL OF THEIR CHANNELS???!!
    DON'T WE DESERVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?? I applaud Dish and their efforts to hold down costs and refuse to pay what the adverstisers won't, but they need to treat customers fairly in this and not be the villain.
     
  8. Mar 9, 2004 #8 of 43
    dwforslund

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    There is a connection, of course, but not necessarily a linear one. There are many factors that go into the cost calculation. Who is it that deserves the benefit of the doubt? Incremental costs are not available in most of the channels we get. Note also that you get $2/mo if you are in a locally affected CBS area. That is probably proportional to the reduction in number of locals received for the $5 or $6 per month.

    If you don't think E* is fair then subscribe to DiredtTV or someone else.
    Since I don't know the details of the negotiations and the various costs, I can't judge. I also saw that the 40% was over some period of time, so that the immediate costs may have been lower, which makes the $1 deal better. I think the issue was bigger than the cost, since they wanted them to carry channels they didn't want to carry just to have local CBS stations. I believe the problem is complex and not simply pay $X or else.
     
  9. Mar 9, 2004 #9 of 43
    James Long

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    Good poll, but can we keep the discussion down do a dull roar? :)

    JL
     
  10. Frank Z

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    The idea was to allow people to express themselves without having to post in a thread. Let's face it, there are a lot more Lurkers than there are Posters.

    I really wasn't looking to start a DBS Rumble, hope everyone keeps that in mind if they due opt to share their opinion.
     
  11. jackie50

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    I simply look at it this way. Charlie is not a stupid man. I see absolutely no reason why he would risk losing subs based on some selfish motive. Rightly or wrongly I am taking him at his word that this is a stand for the us, the consumer. I can fully understand why those who have lost Cbs and the other channels would be upset, and would move to another provider, but I will not. If someone doesnt make a stand for us, who will?
     
  12. Karl Foster

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    Here's a quote directly off the KUTV website:

    Attention Dish Network/Echostar subscribers: KUTV deeply regrets any inconvenience to our viewers resulting from Dish Network's decision to drop KUTV. Dish Network just raised rates for many subscribers by three dollars per month, yet they are refusing to pay Viacom barely 6 cents more per month so you can continue to get all of the CBS programs, KUTV's local news, weather and sports, and all of the Viacom cable channels including MTV, Nickelodeon and Comedy Central. We are continuing to try to negotiate a fair resolution to this completely unnecessary situation, and in the meantime, we remind our viewers that our signal remains available for free over the air, as well as by subscription from DirecTV and your local cable operator. Thank you. Click here for more information.

    This is the local CBS affiliate from Salt Lake City, which covers the entire state of Utah, parts of Nevada, Wyoming, and Idaho. I don't think this represents the entire issue, but it is what is being fed to the KUTV viewers.
     
  13. greylar

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    I look at it this way: I get $1 for a bunch of channels I never watch, its awesome.
     
  14. Roger T

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    If it is 6Cents as the station claims then why would Charlie be taking a 8Mllion dollar a month hit for packages plus how many million more for locals.

    At this point in time I more or less hope he leaves them off unbtil June... Let the ratings be affected during sweeps in may (may?) where their advertiser rates are set for the next period.

    If were advertising on them right now, I'd on the phone looking for a reductions.

    Cheers
     
  15. kstuart

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    The Stock Market Poll Results (as I post this):

    DISH up about 2%
    VIAB down about 1%

    PS If you want to see the usual 21st Century lack-of-integrity in action, read "CBS MarketWatch.com"s article on the dispute - the only quotes are from analysts praising Viacom for standing up to EchoStar ! Hmm... I can only imagine...

    " This is CBS News in Canaan, where religious fanatic David is about to challenge Goliath, noted pillar of the community. Let's interview an analyst - Angela, what do you think? "
    " Goliath should do everything he can to get the most out of his position in Canaan. This is another indication to his supporters that he is saying that he won't be bullied by religious fanatics. "
     
  16. Frank Z

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    Kstuart,
    ROTFLMAO!
     
  17. joblo

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    This is not a question of right and wrong, just interest.

    This is a battle over programming costs. If Viacom prevails, it means the market will support higher program prices, which serves the interests of anyone with stock in Viacom or some other program supplier.

    Everyone else should hope that E* prevails, because that will ultimately translate into lower subscription prices for everyone (D*, E*, and cable alike) than if Viacom prevails.
     
  18. Nick

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    Similar to what I was thinking, except that instead of "lower subscription prices", it will be more like smaller 'increases', but I think that's what you meant.

    Welcome to the fray, joblo. :wave:
     
  19. comet48

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    What makes you think Charlie is keeping the rates down? He just raised mine $3. There is no direct correlation between how much Charlie is charging us and how mush he is paying. How much he charges us is dependant upon competition from cable and D*, not based upon program cost.

    Also, Cahrlie is complaining that there are cost increases from Viacom every year. Well, don't you think Charlie is going to increase our costs each year. He now has a large customer base, and his management of revenue is moving much more to manipilationof the installed base.

    Lower program costs result in more profit, not lower costs to us.
     
  20. JerryLA

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    As a viewer I rarely watch CBS or MTV. Our household has no children so the Nickelodean issue is of no consequence to us. I have been with Dish for over 9 years and support Charlie and his move completely. I understand that the people who watch these channels are upset but......why should we the viewers pay more for programming that most of us don't watch. Let me re-phrase that: Why should we pay more for programming than "many" of us do not watch. Personally I am not offended by the price I pay for Dishnetwork programming now or even with the rate increases. If the costs go up, thats just the way it is. All in all I think Dish is the best bang for your buck! How many things can you think of that have not constantly gone up over the years or even months. I believe Charlie is making a hard stand against the discrimination shown between satellite and cable tv. Do I think this will result in a permanent loss of CBS... absolutely not. But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong!
     
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