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Echo X Launch SUCCESS!!! - February 15 - 3:35pm PT (6:35pm ET)

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  1. Feb 15, 2006 #81 of 129
    James Long

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    It is a massive spot beam satellite. Check the first post in this thread and the thread linked from it for details.
     
  2. Feb 15, 2006 #82 of 129
    GeorgeLV

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    I'll take single-dish must carry and hd locals for $100, Alex. It's a spot-beam only bird. No national programming.
     
  3. Feb 15, 2006 #83 of 129
    JohnGfun

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    Thanks
     
  4. Feb 16, 2006 #84 of 129
    spykedvodka

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    Forgive me if this was asked, but what is Echo X? I know it's a satellite, but what is it used for??? I seen the spotbeam stuff but what does this all mean?
     
  5. Feb 16, 2006 #85 of 129
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    Basically, Dish goes and instead of providing a beam to all of the CONUS (Continenal United States), provides a lot of smaller 'spot' beams to more localized areas. The reason they do this is because they can therefore reuse the same transponders (think of them reusing the same signal) over and over again and therefore save bandwith. Think of a flashlight. You can have one large flashlight that has a large beam on the wall, but you are now constrained to one signal for everyone. By using multiple, smaller flashlights, you can now reuse frequencies.

    That is also why Spotbeam transponders have higher signals, because they are more focused on one area.

    Orignally, (like 6 or 7 years ago), Dish and DirecTV never used spotbeams, but now that they are racing to see who will hit 100% coverage of DMAs in the USA, not to mention way more stations than there were years ago, spotbeams are the most efficent thing for Dish to use.

    So why Echo X. Well, Echo 8 is in orbit and provides spotbeams on the 110 orbital location. It has pretty much been the primary Spotbeam satellite for Echostar (aside from E7 which also has Spots at 119). By replacing E6 with E10, they now have more efficent, and smaller spotbeams, as E8 will become CONUS, which will allow more locals to be broadcasted from the primary 110/119 orbital slot as opposed to having locals spread about among 61/105/110/119/121/129/148 (with potential for 77 in the South CONUS and 157 for the Pacific CONUS/Alaska/Hawaii). Additionally, new laws mandate that locals can not be split across satellites, so they cant have one NYC local on 61 and another on 110.

    The end result, more locals will now be on 110 and shifted from 105 and/or 121. Some reshuffling will occur, with a possibility for smaller DMAs in the North east to be added to 61, and those who are in larger markets that have locals on 105/121 to now be on the smaller. That isn't to say 105/121 are useless, as not all locals will be shifted (at least I wouldnt think so). I could see 121 being totally cleared off and only international stations.

    We won't know the full impact of E10 for probably another year (although E10 will be in use very soon), until Echostar gets all of the reshuffling and new channel launches done, although come late spring/early summer (6-8 weeks from now), E10 is expcted to be in use and we will see the first major change in Echostar programming in a while...

    Also, E6's future is heavily speculated to go pretty much everywhere in the spectrum. Personally, I hope it winds up at 129 and offers spotbeam coverage along side with E5, which could potentially put 80 or 90% of DMAs on the Dish1000, with only a few select markets needing wings or Superdish's... it is also possible E6 could be sold to Nimiq or to Sky, or just kept as a spare, perhaps it shifting to 157 if Echo attempts to get its transponders back on that orbital location.

    Not to hijack or anything, but would like to mention that Rainbow 1, which works with E3 over at 61, also has Spotbeams which are not being used and could also be potentially in the future...
     
  6. Feb 16, 2006 #86 of 129
    alebowgm

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    Yes, there is a lot of rambling in that thread, just getting everything I could think of out there in response to the previous question...
     
  7. Feb 16, 2006 #87 of 129
    alebowgm

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    hence why E8 will be tag teamed with E10...

    I think E8 got sick of E6 as his partner and decided to go with the younger girl (or guy, whatever floats your boat :) )... now E6 knows how E5 feels... hehe
     
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    From Sea Launch: The Zenit-3SL vehicle lifts off at 3:35pm PT (23:35 GMT), from the Odyssey Launch Platform, positioned in the Pacific at 154 degrees West Longitude. All systems performed nominally throughout the flight. The Block DM-SL upper stage inserted the 4,333 kg (9,553 lb.) EchoStar X satellite to GTO, on its way to a final orbital position of 110 degrees West Longitude. A ground station in Uralla, Australia, acquired the first signal from the satellite, as planned.

    From Boeing: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060215c_nr.html
     
  10. Feb 16, 2006 #90 of 129
    James Long

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    Minor correction alebowgm -
    E6 does not have spotbeams, E8 is the current spotbeam bird at 110°.
     
  11. Feb 16, 2006 #91 of 129
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    so what's this echox spotbeam stuff all about again? :) j/k
     
  12. Feb 16, 2006 #92 of 129
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    That's okay. Thanks for explaining it in plain english. I kinda new the gist, but you provided some good insight for us newbies.
     
  13. Feb 16, 2006 #93 of 129
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    Sorry for not responding back sooner!
    and sorry for the ramble!

    James, thanks for answer on the local HD channels! of course now that i have my OTA working well they will bring them in!:grin:

    and
    Yeah and were one of the only states the US that has "USA" on our license plates! "New Mexico USA"
    If memory serves me right,:rolleyes: a School teacher moved to NY about 15yrs ago and went to enroll her kids in the NY school system and they told her she had to have the kids immigration cards and International shot records!:lol:

    The Satellite is up! WOOHOO:hurah:
    I’m so glad to see E* launching new Satts!
    That tells me the $$$$$$$ I have invested in new equipment over the years is not going to go to waste!:)
     
  14. Feb 16, 2006 #94 of 129
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    man its amazing how far off some facts can go on the internet via speculation... hah ;0 As James said, Echo 6 is NOT a spot beam. Echo 7 was the first Dish spot beam bird. What will happen which I know 100% (you can all argue on how ;0 ) Is that echo 6 is moving elsewhere (dont know where), and Echo 8 which did have spots is having all spots tuned off and going full conus only @ 110 with Echo 10 offering up *ALL* the 110 spots. Expect to see this change within 6 weeks of Echo X launch approx.. ;0

    before I'm asked, no my crystal ball knows no more and i dont know where elvis is either... ;0

    -Doggfather
     
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    alebowgm

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    I was bound to make a mistake, just based on the time I was trying to get that all out of my head...

    my bad, hehe, James is correct, as always...
     
  16. Feb 16, 2006 #96 of 129
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    cool, so Mr. Brainiac-type-person, what will E8 be transmitting? will it offer more HD national stuff or strictly SD? any clues on how many spots on 10 will be for HD locals versus regular locals etc? this is cool stuff, give us MORE!! hahaha
     
  17. Feb 16, 2006 #97 of 129
    Doggfather

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    hah ! ;0 Like i said i dont know any more than that... your guess is as good as mine on that...

    -Doggfather
     
  18. Feb 16, 2006 #98 of 129
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    It looks like the performance of the Zenit-3SL was almost right on target. This should minimize the time it takes to circularize the orbit of the E-10 satellite. Here is the performance data from the Sea Launch website:

    http://sea-launch.com/current_launch.htm
     
  19. Feb 16, 2006 #99 of 129
    James Long

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    11km off - not bad! (6 miles)
     
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    Hitting the inclination exactly (0.0) really simplifies the circularization process.
     
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