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Echostar 14 - At 119 and in service 5/19 at 3:00am ET

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by bluegras, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. James Long

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    I'm hoping for a more up to date TLE. Using one with an epoch 32 hours old when we know it is close to the destination leads to an inaccurate guess as to the real location.
     
  2. bosox

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    I apologize if this has already been covered, but what does this mean? Will the new bird take over for the old one completely, or will they share the responsibility of this orbital location?
     
  3. James Long

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    Epoch Mon May 17 03:12:00 EDT
    Code:
    ECHOSTAR 14
    1 36499U 10010A   10137.30000000 -.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0   933
    2 36499 000.0130 102.3420 0001335 215.1340 266.5540 01.00289591   628
    
    Time elapsed since epoch: 06:46:12 (Calculations done at epoch unless noted)

    Perigee 35775.83
    Apogee 35787.09

    Satellite period,TC 23:55:50.52

    Satellite Longitude 118.859000 West (at Epoch)
    Satellite Longitude 118.830430 West (at 09:58:12 EDT Monday using this TLE)

    Average Driftrate 0.0638 deg/day East - Target 118.9 (119 orbital slot)
     
  4. James Long

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    E-14 is a complete replacement for E-7. E-7 will become a "spare" at 119 until DISH moves it elsewhere to serve another need (to be announced). E-14 will become the only DISH satellite serving the 119 orbital location.
     
  5. James Long

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    Epoch Mon May 17 03:12:00 EDT
    Code:
    ECHOSTAR 14
    1 36499U 10010A   10137.30000000 -.00000000  00000-0  00000+0 0   944
    2 36499 000.0130 102.3420 0001335 215.1340 266.5540 01.00289591   628
    
    Exactly the same as the previous TLE except the TLE number.
     
  6. P Smith

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    TLE #93. Parking.
    Code:
    [B]
     #   Date Time GMT Perigee Apogee Long       Lat     Inclin Gap Chg-Hrs Eccentric Revs/day[/B]
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    075 05-06 04:13:57 35653x35702 132.4825°W  0.0307°N  0.026°  49   +9H  0.0005825 1.00660925
    076 05-06 10:07:47 35650x35694 131.8635°W  0.0255°S  0.018°  44   +6H  0.0005194 1.00681962
    076 05-06 12:49:09 35651x35690 131.8391°W  0.0225°S  0.015°  39   +3H  0.0004613 1.00686692
    077 05-07 05:19:48 35651x35687 130.8947°W  0.0308°N  0.016°  36  +17H  0.0004310 1.00691617
    078 05-07 11:42:38 35651x35687 130.6927°W  0.0235°N  0.013°  36   +6H  0.0004271 1.00692432
    079 05-08 02:56:53 35651x35687 129.4097°W  0.0273°N  0.012°  36  +14H  0.0004278 1.00692549
    080 05-08 13:45:45 35651x35687 127.6751°W  0.0206°N  0.010°  36  +11H  0.0004280 1.00692443
    080 05-09 05:20:05 35651x35687 127.9140°W  0.0241°N  0.009°  36  +16H  0.0004299 1.00692592
    081 05-09 13:09:15 35648x35684 127.4953°W  0.0041°N  0.010°  36   +8H  0.0004258 1.00702473
    082 05-10 01:34:17 35651x35687 126.3699°W  0.0218°N  0.008°  36  +12H  0.0004335 1.00692825
    083 05-10 15:10:25 35650x35688 126.1556°W  0.0265°N  0.012°  38  +13H  0.0004542 1.00692681
    084 05-11 06:22:44 35650x35688 124.8693°W  0.0188°N  0.006°  38  +15H  0.0004535 1.00692424
    085 05-11 13:56:39 35650x35688 124.8634°W  0.0301°N  0.010°  36   +7H  0.0004521 1.00693075
    086 05-12 03:11:47 35650x35688 123.3578°W  0.0187°N  0.008°  38  +13H  0.0004562 1.00693626
    087 05-12 10:27:47 35650x35688 123.3249°W  0.0197°N  0.008°  36   +7H  0.0004562 1.00693777
    088 05-13 10:44:21 35650x35690 121.8392°W  0.0108°N  0.006°  40  +24H  0.0004785 1.00689906
    089 05-13 12:30:43 35648x35689 121.5915°W  0.0276°N  0.011°  41   +2H  0.0004847 1.00693729
    090 05-14 02:57:09 35648x35689 120.3449°W  0.0228°N  0.010°  41  +14H  0.0004848 1.00693859
    091 05-15 05:25:08 35649x35688 118.7808°W  0.0389°N  0.024°  39  +27H  0.0004617 1.00693377
    092 05-15 10:18:03 35649x35688 117.2596°W  0.0338°N  0.021°  39   +5H  0.0004692 1.00694097
    093 05-17 07:12:00 [COLOR="Red"]35776x35787[/COLOR] 118.8330°W  0.0016°S  0.013°  [COLOR="Red"]11[/COLOR]  +45H  [COLOR="Red"]0.0001335[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]1.00289591[/COLOR]
    
    Target: 35,786 km at 119°W  
    
    E14 did show best parameters of GSO during TLE#25:
    025 04-03 05:07:03 [COLOR="Lime"]35785x35789 [/COLOR]138.5712°W  0.0037°N  0.047°   4  +26H  [COLOR="Lime"]0.0000471 1.00270541[/COLOR]
    
    
    So, we're waiting for final touch, when red values become same as green.
     
  7. James Long

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    Epoch Tue May 18 02:08:15 EDT
    Code:
    ECHOSTAR 14
    1 36499U 10010A   10138.25573263 -.00000003  00000-0  00000+0 0   959
    2 36499 000.0148 042.5906 0001059 313.8576 212.5753 01.00283032   633
    
    Time elapsed since epoch: 07:22:49 (Calculations done at epoch unless noted)

    Perigee 35778.83
    Apogee 35787.76

    Satellite period,TC 23:55:56.15

    Satellite Longitude 118.866893 West (at Epoch)
    Satellite Longitude 118.852886 West (at 09:31:05 EDT Tuesday using this TLE)

    Average Driftrate 0.0402 deg/day East - Target 118.9 (119 orbital slot)
     
  8. jacmyoung

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    Clearly in this rabbit/turtle race, the rabbit lost to the turtle:) But it seems the rabbit is learning and improving in a stunning speed:

    It just convinced 11 judges to give it another evaluation;

    It just convinced a lot more of its customers that he is doing good for them;

    It also continues to attract the most amount of new viewers; and

    It is the only guy who is adding real HD appetizers these days;

    Now if only he can increase the value of his substandard MRV, i.e. increase its multigrain recipe value:)
     
  9. James Long

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    Your metaphor fell apart when D12 sprinted out of the blocks and raced across the sky (so to speak) at 3.0 degrees per day while E14 took a more leisurely pace. While the speed of the initial parking and testing of E14 may have led one to believe the move to 119 would be super speed it was not.

    There are no losers - only winners. Both satellites have made it to their marks. D12 only took five months before first signal to customer (tomorrow). I expect we'll see first signal to customer on E14 within a week (and we're two months after launch). It remains pretty good for both companies to get a new satellite into orbit.
     
  10. jacmyoung

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    Are you so sure that was the same D12 (turtle) "sprinting", not many turtles located on the different parts of the race track?:) A metahpor is a metaphor, it is usually right because it is a metaphor, especially if it is just for fun:)

    You did admit the rabbit relaxed:)
     
  11. P Smith

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    TLE #95. Nesting.
    Code:
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     #   Date Time GMT Perigee Apogee Long       Lat     Inclin Gap Chg-Hrs Eccentric Revs/day   Period[/B]
    ...
    070 05-03 09:32:42 35687x35691 136.2098°W  0.0343°N  0.020°   4   +2H  0.0000482 1.00621863
    071 05-04 06:19:24 35687x35691 135.1757°W  0.0293°N  0.018°   4  +21H  0.0000525 1.00621039
    072 05-04 13:27:58 35687x35691 133.9327°W  0.0275°N  0.019°   4   +7H  0.0000469 1.00621788
    073 05-05 05:18:01 35687x35691 133.9396°W  0.0272°N  0.016°   4  +15H  0.0000551 1.00621233
    074 05-05 14:17:38 35687x35691 133.3414°W  0.0238°S  0.017°   4   +9H  0.0000486 1.00621975
    075 05-06 04:13:57 35653x35702 132.4825°W  0.0307°N  0.026°  49   +9H  0.0005825 1.00660925
    076 05-06 10:07:47 35650x35694 131.8635°W  0.0255°S  0.018°  44   +6H  0.0005194 1.00681962
    076 05-06 12:49:09 35651x35690 131.8391°W  0.0225°S  0.015°  39   +3H  0.0004613 1.00686692
    077 05-07 05:19:48 35651x35687 130.8947°W  0.0308°N  0.016°  36  +17H  0.0004310 1.00691617
    078 05-07 11:42:38 35651x35687 130.6927°W  0.0235°N  0.013°  36   +6H  0.0004271 1.00692432
    079 05-08 02:56:53 35651x35687 129.4097°W  0.0273°N  0.012°  36  +14H  0.0004278 1.00692549
    080 05-08 13:45:45 35651x35687 127.6751°W  0.0206°N  0.010°  36  +11H  0.0004280 1.00692443
    080 05-09 05:20:05 35651x35687 127.9140°W  0.0241°N  0.009°  36  +16H  0.0004299 1.00692592
    081 05-09 13:09:15 35648x35684 127.4953°W  0.0041°N  0.010°  36   +8H  0.0004258 1.00702473
    082 05-10 01:34:17 35651x35687 126.3699°W  0.0218°N  0.008°  36  +12H  0.0004335 1.00692825
    083 05-10 15:10:25 35650x35688 126.1556°W  0.0265°N  0.012°  38  +13H  0.0004542 1.00692681
    084 05-11 06:22:44 35650x35688 124.8693°W  0.0188°N  0.006°  38  +15H  0.0004535 1.00692424
    085 05-11 13:56:39 35650x35688 124.8634°W  0.0301°N  0.010°  36   +7H  0.0004521 1.00693075
    086 05-12 03:11:47 35650x35688 123.3578°W  0.0187°N  0.008°  38  +13H  0.0004562 1.00693626
    087 05-12 10:27:47 35650x35688 123.3249°W  0.0197°N  0.008°  36   +7H  0.0004562 1.00693777
    088 05-13 10:44:21 35650x35690 121.8392°W  0.0108°N  0.006°  40  +24H  0.0004785 1.00689906
    089 05-13 12:30:43 35648x35689 121.5915°W  0.0276°N  0.011°  41   +2H  0.0004847 1.00693729
    090 05-14 02:57:09 35648x35689 120.3449°W  0.0228°N  0.010°  41  +14H  0.0004848 1.00693859
    091 05-15 05:25:08 35649x35688 118.7808°W  0.0389°N  0.024°  39  +27H  0.0004617 1.00693377 23h 50m 05s (1430.8 min)
    092 05-15 10:18:03 35649x35688 117.2596°W  0.0338°N  0.021°  39   +5H  0.0004692 1.00694097 23h 50m 04s (1430.7 min)
    093 05-17 07:12:00 35776x35787 118.8330°W  0.0016°S  0.013°  11  +45H  0.0001335 1.00289591 23h 55m 50s (1435.83 min)
    095 05-18 06:08:15 35779x35788 118.8569°W  0.0007°N  0.015°   9  +23H  0.0001[COLOR="Red"]059[/COLOR] 1.0028[COLOR="Red"]3032[/COLOR] 23h 55m 56s (1435.93 min)
    
    Target: 35,786 km +/- 12 km at 119°W,  Eccentricity: 0.000x, Revs/day: 1.0027x, Period: 23h 56m 06s (1436.x min).
    
     
  12. James Long

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    That is a good word for it.
     
  13. James Long

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    Epoch Tue May 18 13:41:47 EDT
    Code:
    ECHOSTAR 14
    1 36499U 10010A   10138.73735287 -.00000004  00000-0  00000+0 0   960
    2 36499 000.0167 030.8333 0000445 354.4789 357.5761 01.00279978   647
    
    Time elapsed since epoch: 07:32:31 (Calculations done at epoch unless noted)

    Perigee 35782.28
    Apogee 35786.03

    Satellite period,TC 23:55:58.77

    Satellite Longitude 118.856927 West (at Epoch)
    Satellite Longitude 118.843238 West (at 21:14:19 EDT Tuesday using this TLE)

    Average Driftrate 0.0292 deg/day East - Target 118.9 (119 orbital slot)

    ----
    Watching the period I keep thinking of the old "doomsday clock" that estimates the number of minutes to midnight. (Midnight being global disaster. That clock is at six minutes to midnight.)

    Our clock is much more pleasant ... seconds to geosync orbit. Just a few seconds left.
     
  14. joblo

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    According to those other satellite guys like us, E14 lights up tomorrow at 3 AM, i.e. overnight tonight.

    Spotbeam plan calls for lighting up selected spot 4 beams first, at least in the contiguous 48, which will also necessitate moving current tp 4 ConUS stuff to tp 9, which will become available for ConUS because the AK/HI spot traffic on that tp will be moved to new spots on tp 1/5 respectively. The rest of the tp 4 spots will come later, followed by new tp 1, 3, and 5 spots after that.

    It is also suggested, possibly by looking at guide data, that ConUS tps 8, 11, 12, 15, 16, 19, and 20 will move tonight.
     
  15. P Smith

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    TLE #96. VERY Close to the spot.
    Code:
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     #   Date Time GMT Perigee Apogee Long       Lat     Inclin Gap Chg-Hrs Eccentric Revs/day[/B]
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    074 05-05 14:17:38 35687x35691 133.3414°W  0.0238°S  0.017°   4   +9H  0.0000486 1.00621975
    075 05-06 04:13:57 35653x35702 132.4825°W  0.0307°N  0.026°  49   +9H  0.0005825 1.00660925
    076 05-06 10:07:47 35650x35694 131.8635°W  0.0255°S  0.018°  44   +6H  0.0005194 1.00681962
    076 05-06 12:49:09 35651x35690 131.8391°W  0.0225°S  0.015°  39   +3H  0.0004613 1.00686692
    077 05-07 05:19:48 35651x35687 130.8947°W  0.0308°N  0.016°  36  +17H  0.0004310 1.00691617
    078 05-07 11:42:38 35651x35687 130.6927°W  0.0235°N  0.013°  36   +6H  0.0004271 1.00692432
    079 05-08 02:56:53 35651x35687 129.4097°W  0.0273°N  0.012°  36  +14H  0.0004278 1.00692549
    080 05-08 13:45:45 35651x35687 127.6751°W  0.0206°N  0.010°  36  +11H  0.0004280 1.00692443
    080 05-09 05:20:05 35651x35687 127.9140°W  0.0241°N  0.009°  36  +16H  0.0004299 1.00692592
    081 05-09 13:09:15 35648x35684 127.4953°W  0.0041°N  0.010°  36   +8H  0.0004258 1.00702473
    082 05-10 01:34:17 35651x35687 126.3699°W  0.0218°N  0.008°  36  +12H  0.0004335 1.00692825
    083 05-10 15:10:25 35650x35688 126.1556°W  0.0265°N  0.012°  38  +13H  0.0004542 1.00692681
    084 05-11 06:22:44 35650x35688 124.8693°W  0.0188°N  0.006°  38  +15H  0.0004535 1.00692424
    085 05-11 13:56:39 35650x35688 124.8634°W  0.0301°N  0.010°  36   +7H  0.0004521 1.00693075
    086 05-12 03:11:47 35650x35688 123.3578°W  0.0187°N  0.008°  38  +13H  0.0004562 1.00693626
    087 05-12 10:27:47 35650x35688 123.3249°W  0.0197°N  0.008°  36   +7H  0.0004562 1.00693777
    088 05-13 10:44:21 35650x35690 121.8392°W  0.0108°N  0.006°  40  +24H  0.0004785 1.00689906
    089 05-13 12:30:43 35648x35689 121.5915°W  0.0276°N  0.011°  41   +2H  0.0004847 1.00693729
    090 05-14 02:57:09 35648x35689 120.3449°W  0.0228°N  0.010°  41  +14H  0.0004848 1.00693859
    091 05-15 05:25:08 35649x35688 118.7808°W  0.0389°N  0.024°  39  +27H  0.0004617 1.00693377
    092 05-15 10:18:03 35649x35688 117.2596°W  0.0338°N  0.021°  39   +5H  0.0004692 1.00694097
    093 05-17 07:12:00 35776x35787 118.8330°W  0.0016°S  0.013°  11  +45H  0.0001335 1.00289591
    095 05-18 06:08:15 35779x35788 118.8569°W  0.0007°N  0.015°   9  +23H  0.0001059 1.00283032
    096 05-18 17:41:47 35782x35786 118.8482°W  0.0045°N  0.017°   4  +12H  [COLOR="Lime"]0.0000445[/COLOR] 1.0027[COLOR="Red"]9978[/COLOR] 23h 5[COLOR="Red"]5m 58s (1435.97 min)[/COLOR]
    
    Target: 35,786 km +/- 12 km at 119°W,  Eccentricity: 0.000x, Revs/day: 1.0027x, Period: 23h 56m 06s (1436.x min).
    
    [Seems to me that forecast was right ;)]
     
  16. joblo

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    According to the Schedule S filing – thanks for pointing me at that, James – tps 1-5 have significantly more beams/tp than the others, so it’s not surprising they are starting with those. Using the others will require shuffling ConUS traffic to some degree, so I expect they’ll fill the tp 1-5 spots first. The whole process could take a while.
     
  17. James Long

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    Well ... other than the gap in TLEs between Sat May 15 06:18:03 EDT and Mon May 17 03:12:00 EDT it hasn't been AT 119.0 since Saturday. The drift speed in the Saturday TLE would have placed it AT 118.9 within three hours ... the next report was Monday and the satellite has only moved 0.002 degrees since.

    In service tomorrow will be nice ... as good of a day to light up a satellite as any.
     
  18. James Long

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    Sounds like a good plan. That would leave just TP2 to move to TP7 (once cleared). And of course the rest of the ConUS to ConUS shifts.
     
  19. rocatman

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    I believe E-14 can use up to 10 TPs for spotbeams but the other five will not be used until the 8PSK or MPEG-4 transition occurs for the Western Arc. I have heard rumors of Dish initially only transitioning to 8PSK for the Western Arc because there are a handful of SD receiver models such as the 311 that can do 8PSK. Obviously all the VIP series can do 8PSK with MPEG-4. 8PSK allows Dish to get greater bandwidth per TP over QPSK which is currently used for SD channels on the Western Arc. MPEG-4 with 8PSK increases the useable bandwidth per TP over 8PSK with MPEG-2.
     
  20. James Long

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    Epoch Tue May 18 20:41:31 EDT
    Code:
    ECHOSTAR 14
    1 36499U 10010A   10139.02883806 -.00000004  00000-0  00000+0 0   975
    2 36499 000.0151 025.8298 0000411 354.0712 108.2144 01.00279662   645
    Time elapsed since epoch: 05:39:39 (Calculations done at epoch unless noted)

    Perigee 35782.51
    Apogee 35785.98

    Satellite period,TC 23:55:59.05

    Satellite Longitude 118.849452 West (at Epoch)
    Satellite Longitude 118.844096 West (at 02:21:11 EDT Wednesday using this TLE)

    Average Driftrate 0.0281 deg/day East - Target 118.9 (119 orbital slot)
     

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