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Enterprise cancelled

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by invaliduser88, Feb 2, 2005.

  1. Mark Holtz

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    TNGTony: The Animated Series was aired on NBC also, not first run syndication. Filmation was responsible for the animated of the series.

    Also, lets not forget that in the first season of UPN's existance, only Voyager was picked up for a second season. All the other shows in UPNs starting lineup were cancelled.

    Once again, I wonder how many station owners are re-examing their contracts with UPN. But, I'm also wondering why PAX is still around when most of it's schedule consists of paid programming or religious programming.
     
  2. Ray_Clum

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    IIRC, most PAX stations are O&O's.
     
  3. djlong

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    The real message is that SFC's "Sci Friday" got more viewers with fewer available households.

    The SF fans have spoken and it's SG1/Atlantis/Galactica over Enterprise.

    And that's sad as Enterprise has had a notable uptick in quality this season.
     
  4. Argono

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    Actually, when he first leaped, he was single. In the second episode ("Star Crossed") he gets to interact with Donna, and the viewer learns that she left him at the alter, because of her inability to commit. He was able to get Donna and her father to reconnect, and it wasn't until "The Leap Back" that we learn that it worked and that Sam and Donna did get married.

    That's why there'd be no problem in picking up from the last episode. QL is all about changing time, obviously.


    HDMe - I agree, it most likely isn't feasible. Otherwise Firefly would have gone that route. I guess I'd like to know how close one could come. If a show could produce 5-6 episodes upfront, secure a contract with Sat/Cable to carry PPV, then after a couple of episodes, pick up some sponsorships, I wonder how much it'd cost for people to subscribe. Again, not very likely given a sci-fi show and its costs, but if it could be done, someone would stand to make a lot of money with a good show.

    My question to all is - how much would you pay/episode of your favorite show - $5, 10, more, if it would keep it "on the air"?
     
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    I also agree that the final episode was a great episode. Ya gotta love a show where the actor who played D-Day in Animal House gets to be God's spokesperson......

    I liked what they did with Al, but also agree that I hated the tagline, "Sam Beckett Never Returned Home". All of that he went through for nothing? How hard would it have been to shoot 5 minutes extra with him climbing out of the chamber and then looking in a mirror and shed a tear in relief while a small crowd of technicians claps as he stumbles down a bright hallway to end the show properly?

    The Brady Bunch can get a dozen reunion movies, but a show with a hardcore following like QL can't get one? Bellisario isn't even interested in doing one if his attitude towards the show in a few interviews I've seen doesn't change. I don't know if he has changed his tone on the new DVDs that have been released.

    Actually, knowing the greed of Hollywood, it is only a matter of time before the dreaded "reimagining" feature film is created. If they can redo The Dukes of Hazzard anything is possible.
     
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    Zero. I've enjoyed the Star Trek series greatly. But I won't pay a penny over the already high fees dish & cable charge, passing on the networks fees get to broadcast it. To get the show, commercial free, and with a DVD copy -- maybe. But in general, no.
     
  7. BobMurdoch

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    The budget for the current season of Enterprise was less than $1 million an episode (which was what ST:TNG cost in the 80's to produce). If they made 22 episodes the ENTIRE 4th season only cost $22 Million at worst. They can make back HALF of that off of DVD sales alone. I don't understand why someone else doesn't pick it up at that price cheap. It's not like SciFi Channel couldn't do another SG1 and rescue the show.

    It has been much better this year (especially the two-three episode story arcs).
     
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    I agree; I can't imagine any way they can't make money on Enterprise.

    Therefore, my best speculation is that they think Enterprise will never be a big hit, and that they'd rather try out a new vehicle for the Star Trek franchise. That new vehicle (New Frontier, anyone?) will perform better in the next few years than the 5th-7th seasons of Enterprise would have, at least in their thinking. If my black-box speculation happens to be correct. :)
     
  9. Mark Holtz

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    It could be that they made this seasons episodes at a loss.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    That's my thinking... I already pay for my Satellite... to pay again to watch a TV show seems wrong somehow. I've been buying DVDs of series that I like so I can have marathon watching sessions of them back-to-back and I enjoy that.

    The price of the most recent Star Trek season releases have been about $100... which is around $4 or so per episode divided out over a full season... but I get no commercials, watch whenever and again and again + a handful of extras on the DVD for that price. I wouldn't pay $4 to watch it and then buy it again for the same price... its an either-or scenario.

    I'd be more inclined to have a direct-to-DVD series release where they release the whole season on DVD and I buy it without having watched it to begin with (did that already with shows like Dead Zone for instance where I missed when it started coming out)...
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    I wondered about that in my area... Our UPN station was the NBC station the year before that... for some reason switched to UPN and a new station became the NBC affiliate. I figured there must have been some behind the scenes stuff happening otherwise why would they have lost the NBC deal, because presumably you wouldn't knowingly drop NBC to become UPN, right?
     
  12. FTA Michael

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    Big producers frequently break even or lose a bit on their first-run episode sales to the networks. The big profits come with subsequent syndication.
     
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    i am so happy
     
  14. Argono

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    And I think that most people, sci-fi fans especially, would agree with you. I would most definitely pay for more seasons of Firefly if they were direct to DVD. The main problem I see with that would be promotion. How would new shows, direct to DVD, get enough exposure to be successful? Shows like Enterprise and Battlestar Galatica would be more likely to succeed because of name recognition, but what about something new and completely different? At least, by offering on PPV, they could get exposure by people flipping and later shows could benefit by cross-promotion.

    In the end, I think you're right, for sci-fi shows, anyways, direct-to-DVD would be the most likely to succeed solution. I just think it would be neat to be able to buy a couple of better shows through PPV. I essentially did that with Showtime and Stargate SG1, and I ended up buying the DVDs. But some shows I like to watch, and would support at a small price, are not worthy of DVD purchase.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    I was thinking about this... and I wonder... "what if"...

    How about... they make the show direct-to-DVD release... and then they promote it by buying commercial time during shows that have a similar audience. For instance... Star Trek DVD sets could be advertised in a commercial spot during Stargate and they could show teaser scenes just like they do for "coming next week"... I wonder if that air time would be cheap enough they could do that to make people aware that the DVDs are coming out.

    As it is... they don't really advertise the current DVDs that well... I watch Smallville, for instance, and can't recall ever seeing a commercial telling me that the DVDs were out... I know because I go to the store regularly.
     
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    I was thinking more along the lines of a "Movie of the Week" premiere/pilot. Offer up some episodes of Season 1 on PPV - make them inexpensive and then immediate turn around and sell the DVDs before Season 2.

    With the was that media companies own so many outlets, the cross-promotion might be enough to get ther "critical mass" number of eyeballs so that the people who want to see the show will know it's available.

    You have to offer the first bit on something for "free" as people won't sign up unless they have something to sample.
     
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    I don't know, I think another network could have made this work.

    It would be nice to see someone try. The show had been steadily improving. Hate to see it end.
     
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    Saw a spot on CNN.com - apparently fans are trying to rally support, get the series picked up by SciFi
     
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    I don't think that will happen since they are owned by CBS and won't want to compete with themselves.
     

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