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eSATA - Has been enabled, but....

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. Oct 4, 2006 #1 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    First question: Why isn't this in the release notes?

    eSATA right now is an unsupported and undocumented add-on right now.
    Think of similar to Microsofts Power Tools.... DirecTV has enabled the eSATA port, but it is not an official feature of the box.

    Here are the details:
    • eSATA is a complete replacement for the internal drive. By that I mean, the system will only use 1 drive at a time. So if you connect an eSATA drive, it will not use the internal drive
    • eSATA has only had minimal testing with eSATA devices out there. DirecTV did not test an extensive list of eSATA drives and enclosures to see what will work and what won't
    • When you connected an eSATA drive, you need to do so when the unit is powered off (UNPLUGGED). When starting up, the HR20 will detect the eSATA drive, format as necessary, and then use that drive only. Edited from original post
    • After initilization, the unit will be blank... you will have to re-enter your SL, favorites, ect.....
    • DirecTV will NOT increase their designed usage space for recordings. (these numbers are estimates)If if you add a 500gb drive; 400gb will be for user space, 100gb for DirecTV. If you had 21TB; 20,900gb for user space, 100gb for DirecTV Edited from original post
    • Recordings are TIED to the unit that it was connected to. So you can't record on an eSATA drive on one HR20 and take it to another
    • Future software updates may update the file structure on the hard drive, so it is possible that your internal drive (over a long period of time) will be out of sync with the software version on the flash chip. If this does occur (file structure change), and you need to go back to the internal drive, you will need to do a format of the original hard drive (there is a method to do it from the front panel)
    • Right now... eSATA is to be used at User's Risk. DirecTV CSR are not going to get training on the eSATA connections until it becomes and official features
    • Right now... there is no method to move recordings from the internal drive to an external drive... however, they are investigating to possible to do this with the initial format of the drive on startup (clone the drive instead of just a blank format), but no ETA on when/if it will be available.

    Those are the details I have on the eSATA connection.

    DirecTV has enabled this feature for the "techies" and those that really want the larger storage options. At a later time, they will re-visit the eSATA features, however this was a "quick hit". Most of the other ideas that we have thrown around here on the forums (using it as an archive drive, expanding the storage ... using more then one drive, using it on multiple systems, ect....) Will take a while to code... and they have other items (like OTA, Networking, Dual Buffers) higher in the priority list.

    Note: The added drive needs to be larger then 300gb
     
  2. Oct 4, 2006 #2 of 2831
    PoitNarf

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    Didn't expect this so soon at all. Gonna be very interesting to see the experiences people are going to have playing around with it.
     
  3. Oct 4, 2006 #3 of 2831
    911medic

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    Cool! I vote "sticky" on this one, too!!!
     
  4. Oct 4, 2006 #4 of 2831
    spidey

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    the feature I REALLY desire is the ability to transfer a recorded program from one HR20 to be played on another in my house. This way I dont need to dual record but until the disappearing recordings is totally fixed it may be a way of life
     
  5. Oct 4, 2006 #5 of 2831
    911medic

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    :D
     
  6. Oct 4, 2006 #6 of 2831
    PoitNarf

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    I'm sure we'll see if it's possible to transport an external drive from one HR20 to another and try to play the same content stored on that hard drive on both HR20s before the end of the day :D

    Who's gonna try it?
     
  7. Oct 4, 2006 #7 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    I can tell ya know... it isn't going to work.
     
  8. Oct 4, 2006 #8 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    Okay... I was corrected by my DirecTV contacts (after they saw the thread).
    I had a mis-interpretation from our phone converstation yesterday...

    When adding an external drive, DirecTV will use some of the space... the same amount they use on the 300gb drive now 50gb~100gb.

    So if you add a 1TB drive, 900gb is for user recordings, 100gb is for DirecTV pushes. 21TB enclosure; 20,900gb for user recordings, 100gb is for DirecTV...

    ShapeGSX and PoitNarf... I deleted our threads discussing that, since the basis of the discussion was wrong, and I didn't want to confuse future readers.
     
  9. Oct 4, 2006 #9 of 2831
    Ed Campbell

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    Ditto on sticky.

    Tell 'em to turn the ethernet port on! Tee hee. !Devil_lol
     
  10. Oct 4, 2006 #10 of 2831
    bonscott87

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    Very nice. If only I had an eSata drive to test. :)

    One question though: I assume even though it would use the external drive as primary all your series links and other settings are retained?

    Also I assume you'd want to power down to unplug it and then the HR20 goes back to using the internal drive as normal?
     
  11. Oct 4, 2006 #11 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    I just edited the original post... well a few minutes ago.

    1) Yes, you will have to have the unit unplugged when adding and removing the eSATA drives
    2) No, it doesn't retain your series links and other settings, it is like starting with a blank system.
     
  12. Oct 4, 2006 #12 of 2831
    PoitNarf

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    Gotcha, no biggie. At least spell my name right next time :D
     
  13. Oct 4, 2006 #13 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    Huh? I don't know what you are talking about there.... I spelt it right...

    Right after you pointed it out to me, and I edited both mine and your osts.... :D
     
  14. Oct 4, 2006 #14 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    A request.... if you connect an eSATA device... please post your results here...

    List the make/model/size of your eSATA device.
    Especially if you built it your self (purchased an enclosure, and add a drive).

    If anyone out there has endless amounts of money... I am curious to see if this bad boy will work:
    http://www.rad-direct.com/Product-SATABeast-SATA-RAID-Array.htm
     
  15. Oct 4, 2006 #15 of 2831
    cuibap

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    I don't think eSATA is needed right now. Instead, what I really really want to see is to be able to network HR20 boxes together and the ability to view recording on each other. This is going to be Tivo killer feature and will differentiate DirectTV from the rest of the crowd...

    After this is done, then eSATA will be next, of course I want to see to ability to add eSATA drive as the 2nd storage space, not a replacement.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2006 #16 of 2831
    bonscott87

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    Hmmmm. While it makes sense to retain series link capabilities and such across drives this method instead does provide some interesting options. Such as having a "baseball" drive for recording games or an "olympics" drive. Only problem is recordings like that are usually mixed in with regular stuff.

    Anyway, those kinds of things are in the future, perhaps months from now, when they can get back to the eSata drive. I like the fact that they at least enabled it and allowing techies to play with it and come up with ideas for them to work on in their "spare" time. :D
     
  17. Oct 4, 2006 #17 of 2831
    Rob55

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    Since an eSATA drive will become the primary drive when connected and the internal drive will not be used, is there a way to power down the internal drive? It generates a fair amount of heat and it would be nice to shut it down when using an eSATA drive.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2006 #18 of 2831
    Earl Bonovich

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    I don't think there is a software way to do it......
     
  19. Oct 4, 2006 #19 of 2831
    YankeeFan

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    Does it format the drive EVERY time you connect it? I like bonscott87's idea of having a drive for different types of programs....
     
  20. Oct 4, 2006 #20 of 2831
    YankeeFan

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    One more question. Is the E-SATA controller limited to 1.5GB/s or can it handle a 3GB/s?
     

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