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ESPN HD's Picture quallity issues

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kenkraly2004, Sep 14, 2010.

  1. Nov 8, 2010 #81 of 167
    Steve

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    Lower...
    Like I said, if not already at that resolution, flat panels need to convert the incoming signal to 720p, 768p, or 1080p, whichever is their native resolution. End of subject.
     
  2. Nov 8, 2010 #82 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    I've seen some football and soccer broadcast on ESPN that was obviously broadcast with SD cameras. Upconverting didn't do much of anything to improve the picture. In fact, it was ugly stuff to look at. When broadcasting using HD cameras, the HD is quite fine.

    My only problem with ESPN is how they seem to bounce back and forth using SD and HD cameras in some telecasts.
     
  3. Nov 8, 2010 #83 of 167
    Richierich

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    I have Posted on this many many times and I still believe it to be the case as well as some Minor Events that are shot with SD Cameras and then Upconverted to 720P but still look Fuzzy but most of the Major Football Games I am watching are pretty much Stellar except for a few shots into the stadium crowd that may be SD Cameras.

    I asked my wife to watch and see if she thought it was Fuzzy or Blurry and she said it looked Great to her and she has much Better Vision than I do.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2010 #84 of 167
    wilbur_the_goose

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    I had a 2004-era Sony Grand Wega 2 that was professionally ISF calibrated and got pretty poor 720p video - especially from FOX Sports.

    Just got a new Panny VT25 and the 720p is fantastic. I can finally watch FOX Sports.

    But it's still nowhere near as good as CBS!
     
  5. Nov 8, 2010 #85 of 167
    Jason Whiddon

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    I agree, their HD stuff looks good, its the rest of the garbage that bothers me.
     
  6. Nov 8, 2010 #86 of 167
    trainman

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    Sherman...
    Hmm, the 1080p Samsung LNT4665F that I bought in January 2008 was definitely available at mass-market retailers (and it was actually a mid-2007 model, if I recall correctly).
     
  7. Nov 8, 2010 #87 of 167
    BattleScott

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    This is the portion that is not correct, and you have mentioned it in a few posts. Since it's a pretty big technical innacuracy it really needs to be clarified for those involved in this debate.
    As Steve stated prior, fixed-pixel displays such as LCD and Plasma are not capable of displaying an interlaced image. They have to convert it to their native "progressive" resolution. A 720P set cannot "upconvert" to a 1080i image, it reformats the 1080i signal as 720p, as it does with all formats. Regardless of the source image format, my 720p plasma is ALWAYS displaying it as 720p (actually 760p since it's a Panny). Only CRT devices (tubes, projection sets, etc) can display actual interlaced video.
     
  8. Nov 8, 2010 #88 of 167
    Richierich

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    Therefore, if I have a Samsung 52" LN-T5281F LCD 1080P Display it would Display 720P as 720P and 1080I as Upscaled 1080P. :)
     
  9. Nov 8, 2010 #89 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    You are obviously misunderstanding the nature of my statement, which is the ability to present 1080i sources, not native dual-format magic somehow.

    Feel free to read this description of how this works:

    http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=88

    Bringing this all :backtotop...

    The same link describes why a quality and calibrated 720p image should present a high qulaity HD image without any problem. Many have already posted that indeed this happens.
     
  10. Nov 8, 2010 #90 of 167
    BattleScott

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    Actually, it is displaying EVERYTHING as 1080p. By design fixed-pixel displays utilize a single display format and convert all incoming signals to that format.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2010 #91 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    Yup....see...we're on the same page now... :D:lol:
     
  12. Nov 8, 2010 #92 of 167
    Richierich

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    Then should I Uncheck Every Resolution Box on my HR2X except 1080P or should I Check 720P and 1080I or should I just let the Samsung Display Device do the De-Interlacing and Upscaling to 1080P.
     
  13. Nov 8, 2010 #93 of 167
    BattleScott

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    "These are not the droids you're looking for..." :rolleyes:
     
  14. Nov 8, 2010 #94 of 167
    BattleScott

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    This ties back to the whole "Native ON vs, OFF", etc...

    It is strictly a matter of what looks best to you, letting the TV do it or the STB. But basically, unless your wathcing a 1080P VOD, everything that comes in is being converted to 1080p by the display so it "ALWAYS" in the mix.
     
  15. Nov 8, 2010 #95 of 167
    BattleScott

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    Just an additional note: The quality of the display image has FAR more to do with the source material coming in than any differences between letting the TV or STB handle things. Sure there are differences from set to set, but for the most part they are small. A poor 1080i or 720p signal coming in is still going to be poor when the TV converts it to 1080p.
     
  16. Nov 8, 2010 #96 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    Tell that to an ISF engineer...you won't get the same answer.
    True.
     
  17. Nov 8, 2010 #97 of 167
    Richierich

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    Well, there are Differences in Scalers and a Cheap Scaler will not Render as good a PQ as a more Expensive Scaler and I would think on a $5,000 Display Device such as mine that the TV has a Better Scaler so best to let it handle that task.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2010 #98 of 167
    Maruuk

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    The deniers keep ignoring the growing number of posters right in this very forum, not to mention many others, who are constantly complaining about the PQ of certain sports content compared to others. And the content they are consistently dissing is always 720p! The complaint? LACK OF RESOLUTION. LACK OF DEFINITION.

    I have yet to see one poster complain about a 1080i broadcast. It's always 720p the culprit.

    So all this blather about "You're set needs to be adjusted by a technician from the Institute of Silly Walks" is just that...BLATHER.

    Real folks, with real PQ problems...all with 720p issues. And many of these folks don't even realize that's the problem. They attack ESPN or ABC for poor quality signal handling or over-compression. When in fact none of that is true, it's just that 720p sucks for sports--which emphasizes detail loss in the frequent wide shots, whether it's soccer, NASCAR, baseball, golf, whatever. End of story.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2010 #99 of 167
    hdtvfan0001

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    Love to hear the requested details on how your unit is configured, calibrated, and set up for HD.

    Without that....its a vicious circle for diagnostics.

    In simple terms, if most folks don't see the problems you report, and a few do, then something must be "different" in your location. The many who simply don't see any problem are not imagining that any more than you are with your "issues".

    Pinning down the details might actually resolve your "issues", if you choose to follow that path. Complaining won't change anything. Plot your course.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2010 #100 of 167
    Richierich

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    Well Your 720P Sucks But Mine Is Just Fine so I must have Superior Equipment or a Better Setup, End Of Story!!! :D

    If you didn't Live so far away I would Invite you Over for a Beer so we could watch a Game together in Glorious 720P HD so you could see How It Should Really Look then you could buy some better equipment.
     

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