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External 622 external USB Drive Support Pictures from CES floor

Discussion in 'ViP612/622/722/722K DVR Support Forum' started by Ron Barry, Jan 8, 2007.

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  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I'm curious as to how fast the transfer will be from ViP to external drive (or vice-versa). I wonder if this is the sort of thing you would schedule for overnight or if it is something that would be fast enough to do "while you wait"?

    I know how fast it could be, given USB transfer rates and a guess on the amount of space used per SD or HD program... but am not sure the theoretical speed will be the realistic speed supported.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    As I understand it, if you pay the enabling fee you would then be able to hook an external drive to your 622 and move things back and forth. If you have another 622 elsewhere, you could hook that same drive to it and do the same.

    Basically an all-house solution.

    Ok... but since this is something that needs to be enabled, I assume when you call to order the feature they will have to send a "hit" to your receivers to enable this feature, right?

    So... what happens if you pay now and enable your 622 for this feature... then 6 months from now you add another 622 to your configuration. Will the new receiver automatically get the same "hit" to enable it? Or will you have to pay again since it wasn't in the house at the time?

    I'm just curious how they would enable this feature after-the-fact for receivers that were not on the account at the time you originally enabled the feature.

    Just speculating out loud, but this sounds like a potential snag for the feature.
     
  3. P Smith

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    If you look through the smoke and mirror you will see just a money - "enabling fee". No 'hit', nothing.
     
  4. P Smith

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    Rate is 20 min for transfer 1hr of HD content.
     
  5. rocky01

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    You said it! Let's try and keep value added in the equation guys for goodness sakes. Sheesh.

    (Is that 18 months up yet ... and just how many channels in HD did you say FIOS has right now?) :D
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    Not quite. They have to do something to the software, otherwise there would be nothing requiring you to pay. And they can't make all of us pay unless we want the feature. So when you call and pay, they have to do something to enable the feature for your account/receivers. I'm just speculating/curious on how this will be handled if you add more compatible receivers after-the-fact.
     
  7. shortspark

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    The Pocketdish is basically an external hard drive. I download to the PD from the 622 via USB. A movie (non HD of course since the PD does not support HD) takes about 10-12 minutes. In comparison, audio only files such as on Sirius radio channels is much shorter - as one would expect with no video. For example, I record an entire 3 hour long opera broadcast over Sirius and download the whole thing to the PD in about 5 minutes. I believe a dedicated external hard drive will give at least these speeds to the Pocketdish if not better.
     
  8. James Long

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    "While you wait" is a moving target - you could wait all night. :D

    Think of it as subscribing to "The USB HD Channel". As you replace and add receivers they get the same channels as you subscribe to on your other receivers (limited only by the type of receiver and your wiring). The one time activation on your account should simply carry over.
     
  9. P Smith

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    See post #184.
    Or watch and listen here.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    Hadn't thought about it that way.. but you're right. Sounds like if I'm archiving more than one show, especially if it is a movie, it will be something best done overnight or while I'm fixing dinner or something that has me occupied elsewhere.

    Ok, that makes sense. So once you pay, this would always be in the stream, so to speak, for you as you add/subtract compatible receivers they would come online.

    Sounds like this will mean that if you need your ViP replaced, you'd have to offload all your programs onto the external drive (if you want to keep them) then activate your new receiver & deactivate your old one, then move everything back to the new receiver.

    The ability to copy receiver to receiver won't help when replacing receivers unless they will allow you to temporarily have both receivers active on the account.
     
  11. James Long

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    Just work ahead. Move all your programs off. Replace the receiver activating the new one. Move want you want easily available to the new receiver (or leave it archived and play from the USB). Only one receiver needs to be active.
     
  12. shortspark

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    I wonder. When enabled, can we download a movie from the 622 to a pen drive (USB flash)? If so, that would solve a lot of portability problems and I'm thinking I could do this: download to a high capacity pen drive, insert it to my Pocketdish and then hook up the PD to any tv you want anywhere to play the contents of the pen drive.

    If we can not download to a flash drive, I think one of the smaller, portable hard drives might work instead IF they are compatible with the Pocketdish. Anyone know?
     
  13. harsh

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    I would expect that the USB hard drive portability would somehow be connected with DishComm.

    PocketDish is a different situation because it is download only and limited to non-DRM SD downloads.
     
  14. harsh

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    I'm speculating that if the receiver that recorded the program is no longer connected, that the program will not play.
     
  15. James Long

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    Compatible with Pocketdish isn't the direction to follow. If you can find a flash drive that looks like a standard USB hard drive to a 622 that can be formatted and treated as a standard USB hard drive it could work as a mini drive. (Unless there is some hard coded "minimum capacity" that E* has not told us about.)

    The part of your plan of where you take the pen drive is limited. The files that the 622 saves on external USB cannot be freely played on just any device ... they can only be played on other E* receivers on the same account. So even if it is a full 750GB USB hard drive you won't be able to load it up and take it to "any TV" or even "any 622". You will only be able to take it to other 622s/722s on your account. (And other ViP receivers on your account when they receive external HD support.)

    I don't recall PocketDishes having external USB HD support. They download their content via USB but I don't believe they can access an external drive. If that function is added E* would have to have a way of tying the PocketDish to the account as well as the receivers.

    I believe your speculation is incorrect. The information we have so far is that it will be enabled for all receivers on your account and that content can be moved between receivers. The second receiver may not even know the first receiver has been disabled, let alone disable replay of events simply because they were recorded on another receiver on the account.
     
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    That doesn't make any sense, because then how would you play it on another box on your account. The recordings are going to be tied to the account not the receiver.
     
  17. P Smith

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    Weak memory ? :) - kidding man ! take it EASY !

    PD have second USB port "R" what is working as a host; connect any USB drive and play video, watch pictures, listen music.

    In case of future disput of believing - I'm holding the PD in my hands right now. ;)
     
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    Yes, that is correct. And I do it all the time. I drag and drop all my music files (and photos) to several pen drives I have rather than download these files to the PD, which I save only for movies and Sirius broadcasts I download from the 622. The PD will of course accept direct transfer of MP3 and jpeg but I find it better to free up the space on the hard drive and save the PD only for movies. The pen drive then goes to the second USB port on the PD you spoke of, reads and displays the contents and you play what you want to off of the portable drive. I have dedicated pen drives up to 4g for various genres of music and photos extracted by date and subject. It makes sorting as easy as simply marking the pen drive.

    This is why I mentioned earlier that if the 622 will (some day) download to an external drive, why would it not to a pen drive? I understand there is a difference between a mechanical, external hard drive and a flash operated drive but if it is indeed possible then the PD can in turn decode it and play it on its own screen and/or transfer it to any tv. This ability to take contents from the 622 hard drive and take those contents anywhere is at the present time unique only to the Pocketdish.

    I think James Long is saying that the PD may not be able to access the contents of a portable hard drive - I have not tried that so I don't know either. However, the PD can certainly access the contents of a USB pen drive. So the question is really in two parts: will the 622 be able to download to any external drive, be it hard disk or flash operated. If the answer is yes to hard disk but no to flash (probably the case), then the second question regarding this portability issue is can the Pocketdish extract the contents off an external hard drive the way it does a flash drive?

    I guess everything is mute anyway until we get the software in the 622 to allow for external storage. Once that happens, I'm sure someone will find a way to take the contents from that storage and play it anytime, anywhere they want to. I'm just trying to speculate if the unique interface the PD has with the 622 (among other E* receivers) can play a role in this somehow.
     
  19. ChuckA

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    My best guess is that you will be able to use your pen drive to act as an external HDD to the 622. However, I doubt that you will be able to use that pen drive with the PD. You can use it with the 622 to playback the program but not the PD. As I said, this is of course just a guess since we don't really know yet.
     
  20. James Long

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    Thanks for the typically rude response.

    I don't happen to have a Pocket Dish, so I have to go from my reading on the subject. The remainder of my comments still apply ... whether or not E* will have some way of allowing a PD to play back a USB drive locked to an account remains a question.
     
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