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Feb. 17 DTV Date May Have To Move

Discussion in 'Local Reception' started by kocuba, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. James Long

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    I agree. Transition is February 17th or before. The stations will get this done.
     
  2. Herdfan

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    So how wil this play out for stations that are "moving"? For example, our CBS affiliate is currently broadcasting on DT47, but will revert to their analog 13 at transition. But, and I hope I have this correct, a station in Columbus is currently broadcasting on DT13 and will move elsewhere after transition.

    Our DMA and the Columbus DMA are abutting, so what if we transition early and they don't? That would put 2 stations in adjacent DMA's on the same frequency.

    Sounds like a mess.
     
  3. James Long

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    Sen Rockefeller's actual plan has not been released ... only mentioned in press releases and statements. The nightlight bill he authored back in October allowed continued analog only in situations where there was no interference with digital. Media reports about this new bill seem to support the idea that this extension will also have limits.

    We'll know more when we have actual text.
     
  4. Herdfan

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    Analog to digital interference won't be the issue. It will be digital to digital interference where one station moves to its final DTV location before another station moves off their temporary DTV location.
     
  5. James Long

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    The nightlight rules covered that as well. The only stations eligible for nightlight service are those who after the shuffle will not interfere. This allows stations to move around their digital signals as planned.

    If this new proposal is written correctly there should be NO interference with a station's conversion to it's final digital channel.
     
  6. Dave

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    Unfortunately there will be a delay until June 12, 2009. Congress is looking at the failed tests they had this past year. There were some test conducted in some areas of the country that went bad in Congresses eyes. Some people in the test area were not ready and lost service during the test. The first thing they did was call up there Senators and Congressperson and complain. It paid off. The changeover will be delayed. Part of it is Congresses fault as I have stated before. They did not put enough money into the fund for converter box coupons. Then the company running the program wanted to put the people in the country on a waiting list. Nobody wants to be put on a waiting to get there TV stations. So now we have people from all over the country calling and complaining to there Senators and Congresspersons. I guess its either delay or be all over the 6 oclock news for making a huge mistake. Some of you will say so what. Live with not being ready. This is not the way the system works. The US government is going to profit big from the changeover not the general public. So Washington needs to make it right.
     
  7. scooper

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    The ONLY thing that needs to be done is to flip the switch on Febuary 17 at 23:59:59 (metaphorically speaking). If there are people who aren't ready - well - they won't be ready on whatever date is selected next time, either.
     
  8. James Long

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    What failed tests?
    What complaints?

    I see no groundswell.
     
  9. ziggy29

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    I would bet most of them are related to not being able to get their coupons, not with technical issues related to the transition. If anything, what Congress needs to do is pass fast-tracked legislation to add funding to the coupon program so the waiting list can be processed -- and then let the transition happen as planned.
     
  10. scooper

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    Yes - THIS is what needs to be fast-tracked.
     
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    Not sure if it's too late, but e-mailed my Senators and Representative.

    Just saw a news story that Nielson says 5.7% aren't ready. Those would be the ones that still won't do anything before June 12. They'll only act when their tv's go blank whether it's Feb, June or some other future date.
     
  13. Dave

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    This past summer they ran a digital test in Wilmington, NC. They had over 1800 calls complaining about not seeing there stations. In L.A. they had over 1700 calls just for the 5 min test they run. They are projecting at least 564,000 calls to the FCC with complaints about the changeover. The FCC has asked for 20+ million dollars to hire and expand there phone banks for the incoming calls and for any help they may need. They are projecting 28,000+ calls alone in LA. Image what you will have in Washington DC, New York City, Chicago, etc, etc. from the poor nieghborhoods throughout the country. With numbers and figures like these there will be calls to the FCC, Congresspersons, Senators and the President asking for help. You cannot tell a poor or poverty family to wait on a TV box. For some of them this is there only entertainment. I am sorry to see that some on here do not look at the big picture of the country. When doing something this large throughout the country. Things do no always go as planned. I know we all on here can find help and answers in our forum community. But everyone throughout the country does not have this option. The delay will happen. Regardless of what we want or think should happen. I know when I talk to neighbors and friends I asked them over and over to get there coupons and be prepared. But we on here are only a few. As I have stated you can not ask the general public to go without TV and wait on a coupon for your converter box when we find more money to fund the program. If you just google Digital TV tests you can find some interesting articles on the test and problems. All congress could see was money signs when they first started this transition. Now they have to step back and fix it right this time.
     
  14. scooper

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    How about a bit more truth about the Wilmington test ?

    MOST of the calls were from people who lost one station in the area who were not in the Wilmington DMA. The reason they lost that station was because the station moved their antenna to a location closer to their intended audieance.

    Granted, some of the calls were from people who thought the transition was a hoax, or didn't realize it was going that day.
     
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    That's the ticket -- the digital transition can also be a jobs program. Make it part of a stimulus package... :lol:
     
  16. tomkarl

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    The "poor or poverty" families have been told about the change for a very long time now.

    I agree the coupon program has been handled poorly and Congress should immediately make more funds available to fullfill the waiting list - that or turn it into a rebate program.

    It's not possible to hold every single person's hand through the transition. Sometimes people have to take responsibility for taking care of themselves.
     
  17. James Long

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    Already done. The FCC awarded the contract weeks ago.

    The trouble is that the people complaining are living in the past ... and they are not even living in Wilmington or Hawaii. The loudest complaints in favor of delay are coming from those who IGNORE the corrections made in the program and FEAR an outcome that HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN in any market.

    Acting out of fear is not a good thing.

    Another reason to riot and commit crime against their race or another minority? People in poor neighborhoods seem to be killing each other off out of boredom on a good day. But again, you're fear mongering.

    Perhaps they should read a book? Accepting education might get them out of the poor/poverty situation.

    I'm not asking them to. The trouble is the idiots in Congress who think "wait four months" the the correct answer who have REFUSED to fund more coupons without the unneeded delay.

    They have chosen to make this an emergency political issue. They are playing concerned people like patsys ... playing up the fear, uncertainty and doubt and refusing to face the FACTS and deal with the actual problem at hand. Coupons could have been funded weeks ago ... months ago if those who care had not been too busy waiting for an "emergency" of their own making.

    The right fix is more coupons mailed immediately. There is still plenty of time and plenty of interest in getting coupons. But the powers that are would prefer the "emergency". :nono2:
     
  18. James Long

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    And when February 17th becomes June 12th with less than three weeks to go will that make digital transition more or less of a hoax?

    I really hope every station in the nation flips on February 17th (or sooner) and lets Congress know what they think of a delay. Keep the message strong, on the air and don't worry about what Sen Rockefeller wants to do.

    There are a couple of stations who will welcome this change ... they filed comments in the nightlight proceeding requesting longer nightlight service and normal programming. As for the rest of the US ... let's go.
     
  19. Kansas Zephyr

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    Also, 1,800 calls out of how many households in that DMA (182,500 according to Nielsen)?

    That's 0.9% of households...quite a success, I'd say.
     
  20. joshjr

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    The locals in my DMA are or will be ready by the 17th. I dont want to see it delayed further.
     
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