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FIOS or DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by fyton2v, Jul 26, 2007.

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  1. Jul 29, 2007 #81 of 161
    HDTVFanAtic

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    After the first showing, I saw they were running roughly 10-14 minutes less than an hour and set my timers accordingly as they were repeated so often to conserve space on the DVR. If something will be on repeatedly, its something that I will typically do to conserve space - as you don't need the junk after it.

    Yes, I have yet to meet the fool that has FIOS for their TV and does not use them for their internet service.....and with rates as low as $33 per service, it's impossible to beat.
     
  2. Jul 29, 2007 #82 of 161
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    Two questions:

    First I believe more than 25% of customers care about sports. If you can prove to me that you know for a fact that 25% of customers care about sports that I will leave it at that. But there are more that care.

    Second you mentioned local sports broadcasts - about 60% (this comes from industry information) of sports fans who live in an area are not fans of local teams. D* has more sports programming subscribers than anyone else.

    Again I believe Fios is better than Cable, but again I mention the lack of availablity to the general consumer. Only Verizon will probably be successful with a true FIOS system in the telco industry. Qwest, At@T, Bell South, etc are doing hybrid networks (last mile will be copper). I think long term it will be interesting but I believe (and subscriber number bear this out) that both cable and satellite will survive.

    And I think I know who you are. You have a similar tone to other message boards I frequent.
     
  3. Jul 29, 2007 #83 of 161
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    I actually looked up the pricing, you get a discount when you buy the sports and movie pack together, not HBO and Cinemax, you get a separate deal with buying both of those together. I was putting a personal comparison of why I would not switch (I get a slightly better price on D* versus FIOS, plus FIOS will never be available in my area, I live in Qwest service area and they are doing the same thing as AT@T is doing which is going to be similar to U-verse).

    Here is my break down
    Total Choice Plus $50
    HBO $13
    Starz $11
    DVR service (household) $6
    Total $80 - $5 Qwest discount
    plus NFL Sunday Ticket (cannot get anywhere but D*)

    FIOS equivilent
    Base package $42
    HBO $16
    Starz $12
    DVR $12
    Total $82
    Taxes $6
    Total $88
     
  4. Jul 29, 2007 #84 of 161
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    I totally agree with you. That is why I am on D* (besides the fact that Comcast decided to price themselves uncompetitively here in the North West). I go with service that offers me something I want and can have. What frustrates me with HDTVFanatic is that he believe all issues should be technical. I deal with consumers a lot and typically they want a few things, a better deal, more channels and simple. Plus the service has to be available. Most consumers change very slowly.
     
  5. Jul 29, 2007 #85 of 161
    spartanstew

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    In YOUR opinion.

    I don't recall reading anyone else state that opinion here (and still choose the lesser PQ).

    You still didn't answer my question:

    That's the situation most that have discussed it are in. Either slightly better PQ with one or the other or no difference in PQ.


    Is it becoming any clearer to you yet?
     
  6. Jul 29, 2007 #86 of 161
    joed32

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    It's the people who love their own teams but don't live in that market who will spend whatever it takes to see them. That's what drives Sunday Ticket. Plus fantasy football. I don't know what percentage of D* subscribers have ST, but I know what percentage of all of the other services have it.
     
  7. Jul 29, 2007 #87 of 161
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    Fios TV...

    the new FIos software was launched in most parts of the US which looks cool just looking at this guide make me want to switch lol

    www.VERIZONFIOS.COM/IMG


    Vz has ON-DEMAND ... i wish D* would launch on-demand, but with D* its only available on the HR20, with FiOS its on all recievers SD, HD, HD-DVR/HM-DVR.

    for those movie lovers the Vz Movie package is nice for only $12.99 (starz, SHO and TMC, about 45 ch's plus HD and PLUS VOD) http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv/channel+lineup/channel+lineup.htm#Premium

    great bundle deals going on right now
    unlimited calling with 3 features
    5/2 data (10/2 in some states)
    tv (before STB's, or premiums)
    $99 monthly

    unlimited calling with 3 features
    15/2 (20/5 in some states)
    TV (before stb's and premiums)
    109 monthly

    interactive features with widets, live weather and traffic, possibly sports scores all at the bottom of the screen with one touch on a button.

    ... FiOS PQ is uncompressed


    um... the only thing that would stop me from ordering FIOS TV would be:
    caller id on TV
    NFL ST
    univision, telefutura, telemundo (which are not available in my market but available in other Fios markets)
     
  8. Jul 29, 2007 #88 of 161
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    Spartan - I totally agree but like HDTVfanactic is stating he is getting what he wants from FIOS. I have D* for certain reasons (It has NFL ST and better PQ than Comcast in the Northwest). I think DVR is more important to me. The HR20 is expandable which is a plus for me. VOD means nothing to me even though when D* launches their VOD that will be a definite positive. Again I think D* can improve their PQ and local HD channels in the Seattle market look fantastic currently (I have OTA and HD locals which look very similar).
     
  9. Jul 30, 2007 #89 of 161
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    We have done research for years for TV Newscasts and its never more than 25%. Why do you think Sports is last in the news with very little time given it?

    ESPN released information that was widely reported last year that only 11% of America ever tuned it in.

    Not even close to correct.

    lol....everywhere I post I post under this nick....so lots of luck with that. Just look for the nick and that is me.
     
  10. Jul 30, 2007 #90 of 161
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    I forgot to mention - Verizon's web site totally sucks. The pricing on there isn't the latest -- nothing on there is. While it has improved to some extent, it still leaves much to be desired. They were running a combo deal between the movie pack and hbo for a while. It's possible they're no longer running it, or just that they never updated it on their website (and I believe this was separate from the $20 combo deal that they were running for a short time). The price of the DVR that you're listing is case in point. It's been $16/month since July 13th (this caused much contraversy over at a fios forum with some folks who signed up after the 13th). Probably the best way to get the real pricing is by calling. Also, realize that some pricing (specifically, many of these package deals) vary by state.

    Also one other thing to realize, that Starz price you list is for more than just Starz (I realize that's all you care about, or that's equivalent to what you have now, which is why you're comparing it this way... which is totally fine - you're just trying to figure out what the equivalent package would be with fios) - just putting this out there for general info - that movie pack also include showtime, the movie channel, flix, sundance and ifc (which directv carries on the package formerly known as total choice).

    Finally, you hit on something that I did. When I was a directv customer, I had TC+ with 2 DVRs. When I priced out FiOS compared to that, FiOS came in a few bucks more per month ($63 for DirecTV, $68 for FiOS). When I went HD, though, that's when I saw things swing in fios's favor - my DirecTV bill would have gone up to $75 (I would have been subject to new pricing by switching at that point), while my bill with fios was still at $68/month (since HD is included in their premier package). Add to that triple play discounts, and I saw my bill really take a nose-dive.
     
  11. Jul 30, 2007 #91 of 161
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    I'll throw one more personal experience out at you. When I was a directv customer, my opinion of VOD was exactly the same as yours - who cares about VOD? It's limited - it doesn't have EVERYTHING on it. I can record what I want with a DVR... And then I got access to VOD. Realize too that Verizon's VOD is still imature compared to say Comcast. For example, Comcast offers some network shows on VOD, Verizon doesn't.... Comcast offers free older movies, and Verizon doesn't (although they started running deals where you can get new releases of a couple movies for free some nights of the week - but given Verizon's lack of advertizing, you'd never know that you could catch Casino Royale for free)... and Comcast currently offers HD VOD, and Verizon doesn't yet (they're supposed to by the end of the year - I can get into WHY they don't offer it, if anyone's interested, and what I've heard their proposed solution is).

    Still, even with all those limitations, I've become a big fan of VOD. I can understand why DirecTV is steaming ahead with it, even one that's only available to folks with an HR20 and with a high-speed internet connection. It's also the main reason I won't switch over to a tivo dvr. I really don't want to lose VOD. Not so much for me... but my kids would stage an insurrection. The only reason I don't use it more is because they don't have HD VOD yet. When looking for movies to watch on, say, Starz, I'm going to first look for when the movie is showing on Starz HD. If it's there, I'll record it (I'd rather catch it in HD). If it's not, then I will watch it on VOD, if available there (and the number of movies available via the movie pack on VOD is pretty impressive - both older and newer movies).

    Ok - real quick - here's why Verizon is having issues with HD VOD. Most of their TV service gets fed through a coax going directly to your TV's STB. Some of the video service, however, doesn't go through that way. Things like guide data, VOD, and widgets all go through the IP portion of the light spectrum. That data goes to your router, and from your router gets fed into your TV's network (the router is connected to the tv splitter that they install). In one respect, this is a great design - it frees up that TV coax to devote its entire spectrum to TV programming. In another respect it could be problematic. Since HD takes so much bandwidth to transmit, and since these routers are designed to give precendence to the video feeds for the TV, running HD VOD was killing everyone's internet speed. As to a possible solution - one that I've heard I'm a-ok with. Verizon was going to increase everyone's internet speed to compensate. That's one that I'd heard. Don't know how true it is.
     
  12. Jul 30, 2007 #92 of 161
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    A while back I saw an article in the local news paper about sports on local newscasts. It stated that the reason their is very little of it, is because that most people that are really interested in sports news use any of the ESPN or local RSNs, to get their sports news.
     
  13. Jul 30, 2007 #93 of 161
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    There might be more veracity to my understanding of Verizon's solution for HD VOD than I thought. Apparently (according to folks on another forum), Verizon reps are contacting customers (one guy actually had a knock on his door) to let them know that we'll be getting 6 new channels soon (including a couple HD), and that Verizon would be doubling everyone's internet speed in the coming weeks. That's in line with what I'd heard they were going to do. Whether that's the solution or not remains to be seen.
     
  14. Jul 30, 2007 #94 of 161
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    It doesn't matter how great FIOS services might be, it is not available where I live, and for the most part the vast majority of the country.
     
  15. Jul 30, 2007 #95 of 161
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    :lol: Umm, weather is given just about the same time and is also last or 2nd to last, yet just about EVERYONE tunes in to see their local weather and hence why it is last... so you will hopefully stick thru the whole broadcast first, to see the weather.
     
  16. Jul 30, 2007 #96 of 161
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    I agree with you, but the point of this thread is to make comparisons between fios and directv.
     
  17. Jul 30, 2007 #97 of 161
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    Obviously clear is a word you don't understand and have a problem seeing with your HDTV.

    Virtually everyone who has compared FIOS and D* has said FIOS is better - in fact, I cannot recall the fool who said D* was better after comparing the two.

    Would I go with a unit that missed reservations if that was the only factor? Yes, because every DVR I have had (including the HR10-250 and the HR20) have missed reservations at some point in time.

    If its that big of deal, go get a TIVO with FIOS.

    Their $299 unit is the same base price as a HR20.

    Is it any clearer to you yet?
     
  18. Jul 30, 2007 #98 of 161
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    Clearly you should not be a contestant on the CBS TV show "The Power of 10" as you have no idea what every piece of research says about how Americans think.
     
  19. Jul 30, 2007 #99 of 161
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    And again, ESPN says 11% of the subs tune to the channel.

    Think about it.
     
  20. HDTVFanAtic

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    According to published reports, Verizon gives 850Mhz of bandwidth to TV at this point. That is a fixed number (and could be increased at a time when they need to).

    As more bandwidth is eventually needed, they will just use different spectrums on the same fiber optic cable.
     
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